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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby wiesiek on Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:33 am

YES,
he is !
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:38 am

wiesiek wrote:..."To bad The US is not helping to end the war by negotiation instead of fueling it to its own ends..."
ha,
`cmon , it is nothing personal, just the business ...


something to consider

Clausewitz:

the Purpose of war is one's will to be enforced, which is determined by politics. The Goal of the conflict is therefore to defeat the opponent in order to exact the Purpose. The Goal is pursued with the help of a strategy, that might be brought about by various Means such as by the defeat or the elimination of opposing armed forces or by non-military Means (such as propaganda, economic sanctions and political isolation).



Was never about taking over Ukraine,,,

President Putin, outlined Russias objectives...one of them elimination of their military...now on going...

The stated purpose, to prevent what Russia views as an existential threat to it self....


An extension of recent history the US was warned about during the agreements made with Gorbachev, and had agreed not to pursue.

The US views Russia and China as opponents, challengers to its unipolar hegemony which it's trying to maintain by "any means"
Mostly through "War" by proxy and control of the worlds reserve currency, now undergoing a realignment...

Other countries understanding whats called "rules based order" seems to allow one country to make the rules.
and it's not them. ;D

change is gonna come....like it or not..
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:58 am

Giles wrote:I'm also definitely in favour of Putin and his world view. He has done great things with Russia in recent years - something I have also heard from several Russian acquaintances here in Berlin. The Ukrainians are sadly deluded and misled: they don't need their own country, they don't need open elections or self-determination, they don't need to decide for themselves how they will align themselves internationally.

Really when did they have this ;D



They still don't realize they are actually Russians, which is sad. They need to abandon their deluded arrogance which continues to make them resist the Russian liberators. They will be much better off, much happier, under the firm but loving hand of Russian rule. God wills this, too.

My apologies for contributing to this thread after I promised to leave it, but I wished to share my epiphany. I humbly withdraw.


;D

No apologies needed, the humor is most interesting .

People who are truly "humble" mostly never feel the need to mention it... :-\

Better crank up the wind farms and hope for sun shine in the winter...


how about

Australia’s prime minister warned over the weekend that a Chinese naval base in the Solomon Islands would be a “red line” for his country.



Any thoughts do they have autonomy,,,

Wonder what their "red line: means....is it really a "red line". :-\

We know what a Russian "red line" means.
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby wiesiek on Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:43 am

Windy,
all my mature live I trying be on the border of "the System", while keepin` semi comfortable "artist" position. This allowed me keep my arse and head relatively safe.
My experiences are:
- livin` in deep communism aka Stalinism ,
- orthodox socialism,
- socialism with "human face" (haha, guess what it was)
- time of change
- the new brave world
- declining of it
- an now : deep shit, aka war on my border, and Ukrainians refuges under my roof.

Put somewhere in between 10 years in US (mostly in NYC), and you get the picture. Speakin`so, I have to tell you, that my 1st impression, when I seat on Rockefeller Plaza was:
WOW, it is like in Russia, just they speak some kind of English...
later I get that, there are some differences, like:
- "free market" in meaning, that you must pay or die
- "free press"
and 100 TV channels to fill the gap.
Difference in System/s?/ are cosmetic.
Putin is goin` straight Czar`s way, Biden trying to play "free markets" cards,
both are in the System.
That`s all if we speakin` about my understanding.

Putin knew, that US and Europe would not respond adequately.
Tell me, how come?
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby wiesiek on Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:56 am

as I told somewhere on beginning of this thread:
Returning nuclear weapon to Russia and faith in the West guarantee- was Ukrainian`s big mistake.
We (I may say "we" as a part of NATO) didn`t respond, as it should be done.
and
this fighting against the Nazi fairy tail - c`mon, Putin is the biggest nazi of all time.
ok,
I`m done.
see you in another thread.
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:01 am

wiesiek wrote:Windy,
all my mature live I trying be on the border of "the System", while keepin` semi comfortable "artist" position. This allowed me keep my arse and head relatively safe.
My experiences are:
- livin` in deep communism aka Stalinism ,
- orthodox socialism,
- socialism with "human face" (haha, guess what it was)
- time of change
- the new brave world
- declining of it
- an now : deep shit, aka war on my border, and Ukrainians refuges under my roof.

Put somewhere in between 10 years in US (mostly in NYC), and you get the picture. Speakin`so, I have to tell you, that my 1st impression, when I seat on Rockefeller Plaza was:
WOW, it is like in Russia, just they speak some kind of English...
later I get that, there are some differences, like:
- "free market" in meaning, that you must pay or die
- "free press"
and 100 TV channels to fill the gap.
Difference in System/s?/ are cosmetic.
Putin is goin` straight Czar`s way, Biden trying to play "free markets" cards,
both are in the System.
That`s all if we speakin` about my understanding.

Putin knew, that US and Europe would not respond adequately.
Tell me, how come?


They the US and NATO were warned...they knew what would happen

Who knows why they continued to go forward...

We do know that the assessment of Russia being weak not responding was very wrong....

Not out to change your opinion based on your experiences.


'only speaking from mine, as part of the cold war in the 70s and serving an extended time in the US military
while many of the events were being formulated and happened.

Don't know what "putin" knew or intended....

Do know as much as one can know the history....during that time and recent events..

have studied military tactics used by the US and other militaries "weapon systems" ect while in service as part of my job.
Take some time and review what the US has done during its it's invasions,
compared to recent events in Ukraine.

They still have electricity , running water, ect

things the US would have taken out...among others during first encounters.

The US has yet to face a near peer adversaries directly.

Indirectly a trains other armies in it's tactics and weaponry

Any recent examples of it being successful...mmm like Afghanistan....


The US has a track record,,,a bad one,,,after wwII
not having to face any Challenge to its authority, now having to do so...

Things are changing....

WOW, it is like in Russia, just they speak some kind of English


had student recent arrival from Romania, all my other students are Chinese recent arrivals. "recent arrival's 5-15 yrs" in the US

They all say the same things, they thought they were leaving one system only to find in many ways it's much worse here.

The only difference is that the systems they left are very upfront and didn't make claims about democracy and freedom.
Using it to justify its authoritarian controls.


any way,,,be well,

hopefully things work out soon..
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:04 am

wiesiek wrote:as I told somewhere on beginning of this thread:
Returning nuclear weapon to Russia and faith in the West guarantee- was Ukrainian`s big mistake.
We (I may say "we" as a part of NATO) didn`t respond, as it should be done.
and
this fighting against the Nazi fairy tail - c`mon, Putin is the biggest nazi of all time.
ok,
I`m done.
see you in another thread.


Your opinion

Others have different.

Expanding NATO to Asia-Pacific Region


lots of talk about trying to do this....

why :-\

is it a good thing....

times are changing....
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby wiesiek on Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:12 am

ps
red line doesn`t exist, just shinny A-shroom ,
let`s face, that we are cruel predators, always looking for prey, and killing for emotions, or fun.
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby Quigga on Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:16 am

Ok all of you smart guys

Not one. Not one. Has shown a way to reduce suffering globally. It may be the alcohol or trauma speaking for me right now. But if you can't even agree on here, don't know what am I supposed to do.
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby wiesiek on Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:19 am

haha, Opinion?, let it be;
do you really think, that Putin would be attack country which posses nuclear weapon?
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:19 am

wiesiek wrote:ps
red line doesn`t exist, just shinny A-shroom ,
let`s face, that we are cruel predators, always looking for prey, and killing for emotions, or fun.


Interesting view point...one I frankly don't share...

Don't know what "we" are..only what I try to be

live a life,,,be happy, help those you can...


Red lines

haha

wonder what the Cubans think about "red lines".

Do they have autonomy ?
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:22 am

wiesiek wrote:haha, Opinion?, let it be;
do you really think, that Putin would be attack country which posses nuclear weapon?


Don't know what "Putin" would do..

Do know that Russia, those in it will take any measures needed to preserve their country, society, integrity..
Why, because they can ;D

Think not?

As now, there is a way to find out....
Do they need to show it again ? :P

Might want to look at the weapon systems and strategies that both China and Russia are developing and have developed.
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby Quigga on Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:23 am

We have been saved by anonymous heroes (not me) who refused to unlock atomic assignments
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby Quigga on Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:25 am

Is there no other way apart from unleashing one's rage
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:55 am

Quigga wrote:Ok all of you smart guys

Not one. Not one. Has shown a way to reduce suffering globally.
It may be the alcohol or trauma speaking for me right now.
But if you can't even agree on here, don't know what am I supposed to do.


well ;D

Buddhists believe in the cycle of samsara , which is the cycle of birth, life, death and rebirth.

This means that people will experience suffering many times over.

All of the things a person goes through in life cause suffering and they cannot do anything about it.

Instead, they have to accept that it is there.
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