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colorado river drought and us food supply

Postby everything on Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:48 pm

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Re: colorado river drought and us food supply

Postby Steve James on Sun Aug 21, 2022 5:53 am

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Re: colorado river drought and us food supply

Postby wayne hansen on Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:20 am

Hasn’t the Rhine done the same thing
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Re: colorado river drought and us food supply

Postby Steve James on Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:28 am

Hasn’t the Rhine done the same thing



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykzBVHQE-QU

The Danube as well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSYlQXmb1M0

The Loire, the Po ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grIH6Z7JaT0

It's also happening elsewhere

The Euphrates


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPc-amd0uVA

Anyway, the only question is whether we will do anything about it --except fight over what's left.
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Re: colorado river drought and us food supply

Postby Steve James on Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:45 am

What's fascinating is that the water ends up as floods and monsoons somewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5UbqkLM4gQ&t=2s

Today in the US southwest; last week it was Virginia/Kentucky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sazu-VfeNY

It doesn't refill the rivers. There's little we'll be able to do about it except prepare.
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Re: colorado river drought and us food supply

Postby everything on Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:04 am

it's a "closed system", but the nice cycle of rain back into those rivers is messed up. the technologies such as fog nets to get water from one place to another seem like small band-aids compared to nature having a nice working cycle (that humans are easily able to mess up, but seemingly not able to help)
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Re: colorado river drought and us food supply

Postby Steve James on Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:33 am

When people say they want to terraform Mars, I wonder why they think we should start there. All we have to do is cool the planet down a few degrees. :)
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Re: colorado river drought and us food supply

Postby everything on Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:59 am

lol simple. cloud seed the clouds. build an aqueduct from the Great Lakes to the Colorado River... plant a billion trees... then a few more billion. go solar, wind nuclear (cannot do hydro with no rivers).

the covid lockdowns gave a glimpse of what happens if humans radically reduce our harm... but we can't just stay locked down. ugh. what a hopeless topic to discuss. :-)
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Re: colorado river drought and us food supply

Postby Giles on Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:51 am

Oh dear, Everything and Steve, panic-mongering again... :-\
Please rest assured that it's "only weather". It's the radical left (meaning everyone who is not with, or to the right of, Tucker Carlson, or anyone who gives any credence to scientific consensus) who are just trying to scare the population and thereby enslave them in Socialism.

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Re: colorado river drought and us food supply

Postby everything on Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:33 pm

Lol

Even the crazies don’t seem to be saying this kind rhetoric now
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Re: colorado river drought and us food supply

Postby Steve James on Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:14 pm

Denials are irrelevant when your car or home floats away, or burns down. It's costly, and if it happens more than once, you might have to move. But, imo, this has always been a "fix the problem, not the blame" situation. So, how to fix the problem once it's undeniable is the relevant issue.

Meh, either way, the species will (have to) adapt. I've gotten used to eating smaller fruits and veggies. In NY, we need more rain, and we're finally getting some today. But, that's because the western floods are moving east (naturally, that's the direction the wind blows). Our reservoirs are currently at about 80-90% capacity. In fact, due to climate change they say, the Hudson River is rising. Sounds good, except for some it means frequent flooding. And, we're one month away from hurricane season. Panic? Naw, preparation is the word.:)
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Re: colorado river drought and us food supply

Postby everything on Mon Aug 22, 2022 4:59 pm

NY is adding the swales that Tucson added. Will be better able to deal with flooding from hurricanes or other heavy storms.
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Re: colorado river drought and us food supply

Postby yeniseri on Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:20 pm

everything wrote:NY is adding the swales that Tucson added. Will be better able to deal with flooding from hurricanes or other heavy storms.


There was flooding on East Coast USA last year and water was even running over the embankments in the subways system to even threaten those who have illegal housing arrangement in their basements (mostly immigrants trying to find affordable housing) and they became death traps for the dwellers.



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Re: colorado river drought and us food supply

Postby Steve James on Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:23 am

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Re: colorado river drought and us food supply

Postby everything on Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:31 am

looking at the Colorado River news, it seems (not surprisingly) an inability to politically coordinate any responses just exacerbates the crisis.

The levels in the nation’s largest freshwater reservoir, Lake Mead, behind the Hoover Dam and a fulcrum of the Colorado River basin, have dropped to around 25% of capacity. The Bureau of Reclamation, which governs lakes Mead and Powell and water distribution for the southern end of the river, has issued an ultimatum: The seven states that draw from the Colorado must find ways to cut their consumption — by as much as 40% — or the federal government will do it for them. Last week those states failed to agree on new conservation measures by deadline. Meanwhile, next door, California, which draws from the Colorado, faces its own additional crises, with snowpack and water levels in both its reservoirs and aquifers all experiencing a steady, historic and climate-driven decline. It’s a national emergency, but not a surprise, as scientists and leaders have been warning for a generation that warming plus overuse of water in a fast-growing West would lead those states to run out.

I recently sat down with Jay Famiglietti, the executive director of the Global Institute for Water Security at the University of Saskatchewan, to talk about what comes next and what the public still doesn’t understand about water scarcity in the United States.

https://www.propublica.org/article/colo ... amiglietti
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