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irreversible tipping point?

Postby everything on Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:29 am

https://wraltechwire.com/2022/09/16/cli ... ilization/

You may have heard the idea that climate change will, in the worst-case scenario, cause the collapse of human civilization as we know it today. How could this happen? If you have been watching recent headlines, then you know that humanity has now received the worst climate news possible, where we can see a direct path to utter catastrophe from climate change.

Planet Earth is standing on a precipice, where irreversible climate change tipping points are about to trigger. If they trigger, the topic of climate change will shift from “problematic” to “completely catastrophic for all life on Earth.” Things will change from “maybe with a concerted effort humanity can solve the climate crisis” into “there is nothing we can do to put the genie back into the bottle, and humanity is doomed.” Here are four articles that tell the tale:

World on brink of five ‘disastrous’ climate tipping points, study finds
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... tudy-finds

Climate change: Six tipping points ‘likely’ to be crossed
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62838627

The world may have already crossed 5 climate tipping points
https://grist.org/climate/report-climat ... el-danger/

Exceeding 1.5°C global warming could trigger multiple climate tipping points
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abn7950

And then PBS issued this explanatory video on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBKZWKeKYqE


It is easy to understand why the collapse of the Thwaites glacier is irreversible. If it collapses, it will raise sea levels by many feet, inundating and destroying coastal cities and beaches. Trillions of dollars in damage will occur. Once the damage is done, there is no possible way to undo it: There is no way that humanity will ever be able to put the glacier back and lower sea levels again.

In other words, either humanity MUST save the Thwaites glacier now, or there will be trillions of dollars in irreversible damage that occurs to all of our coastal cities. In addition, there will be millions of climate refugees from these cities who will have to go somewhere. Take Miami as one example city. Miami will disappear when the Thwaites Glacier collapses. This means that 6 million Miami residents will need to move somewhere else. See this video for details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY3mXFXd3GU
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Re: irreversible tipping point?

Postby Bao on Wed Sep 21, 2022 6:55 am

The greatest individual climate criminal by far is the US war industry. I find it very strange that no activists or politicians recognize this. If non-US countries actually cared about the climate, they would go together and sanction the USA for keeping up its war machine and for initiating war and conflicts all over the World. And they would certainly not use Ukraine to wage a proxy war against Russia and by doing this prolonging the conflict and make more damage to the climate.

So my conclusion is that nobody really cares and that the climate and our generations to come are f*cked.
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Re: irreversible tipping point?

Postby GrahamB on Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:24 am

Well that one would be easy to fix if Russia just stopped invading Ukraine and stepped back over its border.
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Re: irreversible tipping point?

Postby Bao on Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:59 am

One easy fix would be for the US to back off in every place in the world where they wage war, illegally occupying countries and stop illegal sanctioning against countries that kills tenth of thousands of civillians every year, and for GB to stop backing up the USA. But I guess as always it's easier to point fingers at others than looking yourself in the mirror and start demanding your own country to something substantial. :P

As always, it's only the other who is at fault.... ::)
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Re: irreversible tipping point?

Postby Bao on Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:19 am

“Russia has shamelessly violated the core tenets of the UN charter - no more important than the clear prohibition of countries taking territory of their neighbors by force,” President Biden to UNGA.

USA controls one third of Syria and plans to stay there indefinitely.

Just one example of many of USA illegal actions in various countries.
Blaming others and taking no responsibility for its own actions.

If they started by leading by example and do better and do good. Then maybe they had right to point finger at Russia and tell them that they could do better. Someone from an imperialist colonial country definitely has no right to tell Russia or Russians what they should do in other countries.
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Re: irreversible tipping point?

Postby windwalker on Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:40 am

Well :)

maybe the world has been though many "tipping points" already.

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Humans just happening to notice this one,,,

Does the "cause" matter :-\

Traveling around the sun on a blue planet,,,, sit back enjoy the ride.

While you can :P

@Bao,

Tipping point for US here already
Hopefully the world makes it through it :-\
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Re: irreversible tipping point?

Postby Bao on Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:35 am

@Bao,

Tipping point for US here already
Hopefully the world makes it through it :-\


Yeah, I know...

SCO and other countries are working out systems to get rid of the dollar completely. Their meeting in Samarkand consisted of countries representing more than half of the World's population. Soon, in a few years, the US and US dollar hegemony will be gone. China will soon pass the USA as the strongest economy, then India and then Russia.

We can only hope that the USA comes to their senses and let these countries pass without more friction. And certainly that they don't panic and start war with two or three nuclear superpowers at the same time. :P
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Re: irreversible tipping point?

Postby Steve James on Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:15 pm

Afa a tipping point, I don't think there's one for the species. I agree that "civilization" may not survive as it is. Then again, there are plenty of people in the US who don't have clean water, let alone internet access. And, that's hardly unique to the US.

Afa Ukraine, criticisms of support are meaningless. The opinions that count are those of Ukrainians. They're the ones being killed because of the invasion.
Putin is the only one making nuclear threats, saying it's not a bluff. He's mobilizing 300K reservists.

We'll have to see how that sits with Russians. But, afa the nuclear option, how does one claim to be a liberator and then say you're willing to nuke the country? Would he nuke just the Ukrainians? And, what if the US/UK then supplies Ukraine with nuclear cruise missiles? Why not? Mutually assured destruction is a deterrent.

Anyway, I do agree that it's always best to look at the man in the mirror.
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Re: irreversible tipping point?

Postby everything on Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:25 pm

somehow we went from talking man-made cause of rising of seas wiping out miami to nuclear mutually assured destruction.
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Re: irreversible tipping point?

Postby Steve James on Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:40 pm

Mutually assured destruction is just a fancy name for spite. Both sides are so intent on screwing the other guy, they screw themselves. How's about we start by saving as many lives as possible? That's not really a different question from "How do we save 'civilization' and ourselves?
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Re: irreversible tipping point?

Postby everything on Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:45 pm

we can say that here on the mighty RSF, sure.

just nobody knows who can really do that in the scheme of things or how to do it.
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Re: irreversible tipping point?

Postby yeniseri on Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:30 pm

One by-product of this ice cap melting is that earth is moving faster that MAY have untold consequences for the future.
The mass of ice has been heavier due to "consistent cooling" but since that gap has increased the melting (to water) the flooding is more self evident. Add the wildfires, the mudslides, and we are in for a ride of our lives.
Additionally, infrastructure is starting to break up (has been breaking up for the past 2 decades ??? )due to politization where some parties have been refusing to fund projects because it interferes with their lies and their illusions so we are doing it to ourselves and we, the people suffer from the consequences of purposeful non action on the part of those we elected to represent US.

What do I mean by infrastructure? Roads, bridges, the current Jackson, MS water debacle (the whole system hasn't been touched in decades, no improvements, replacment/repair , etc and cost are stated to be close to $500million and that is an undercount. Remember Detroit (Flint) and their water problems with a NESTLE CEO saying "Water isn't a right" meaning "buy water or die". After that Flint incident, some corporations began looking for water sources to gobble up before the citizeny finds out ;D
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Re: irreversible tipping point?

Postby everything on Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:01 pm

corporations as well as the billionaires who benefit the most from the corporations
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Re: irreversible tipping point?

Postby windwalker on Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:55 pm

Steve James wrote:Afa a tipping point, I don't think there's one for the species. I agree that "civilization" may not survive as it is. Then again, there are plenty of people in the US who don't have clean water, let alone internet access. And, that's hardly unique to the US.

Afa Ukraine, criticisms of support are meaningless. The opinions that count are those of Ukrainians. They're the ones being killed because of the invasion.
Putin is the only one making nuclear threats, saying it's not a bluff. He's mobilizing 300K reservists.

We'll have to see how that sits with Russians. But, afa the nuclear option, how does one claim to be a liberator and then say you're willing to nuke the country?
Would he nuke just the Ukrainians? And, what if the US/UK then supplies Ukraine with nuclear cruise missiles? Why not? Mutually assured destruction is a deterrent.

Anyway, I do agree that it's always best to look at the man in the mirror.




Russians are dying also,

Wonder if the Ukrainians agreed with the plan

Providing lethal aid to Ukraine would exploit Russia’s greatest point of external vulnerability.


But any increase in U.S. military arms and advice to Ukraine would need to be carefully calibrated to increase the costs to Russia of sustaining its existing commitment without provoking a much wider conflict in which Russia, by reason of proximity, would have significant advantages.




https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html




The West left Moscow no choice but to launch a special military operation, after it created and nurtured “a Russophobic neo-Nazi regime” in Kiev and sent weapons into Ukraine in order to turn it into a “springboard for containing Russia,” the foreign minister explained.


following the plan


The US has not won a direct war with a near peer power.......
in recent history

Maybe it's time to see how things work, directly :-\

Putin is the only one making nuclear threats, saying it's not a bluff.
He's mobilizing 300K reservists.




More of statement, like don't try to make Ukraine part of NATO,,,its a red line ....

Russian President Vladimir Putin warned the West on Wednesday morning that Moscow would “use all the means” at its disposal to defend Russia, referring to statements by officials in NATO countries about using nuclear weapons against Russian troops.

https://www.rt.com/russia/563279-lavrov ... -conflict/


talks about what the 300k reservists will be used for and why....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvlxHebRBAI
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Re: irreversible tipping point?

Postby Bao on Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:57 pm

windwalker wrote:Russians are dying also,

Wonder if the Ukrainians agreed with the plan


Probably...

"We never aim guns at people," instructor Yuri "Chornota" Cherkashin tells them. "But we don't count separatists, little green men, occupiers from Moscow, as people. So we can and should aim at them."

Inside a Ukrainian nationalist camp training kids to kill
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukrainian- ... s-to-kill/

It's Ukraine and the collective West who wants this war, not Russia. Nato countries have prepared for this for a very long time (there are many proofs that they have) but they didn't expect Russia to take the lead and make an early counter-offensive.
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