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Re: Custom dynamically driven content is the present and future

Postby Dmitri on Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:27 am

Steve James wrote:the program doesn't understand what it's saying

This.
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Re: Custom dynamically driven content is the present and future

Postby origami_itto on Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:54 am

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Steve James wrote:the program doesn't understand what it's saying

This.

Do you understand your own words?
As an AI language model, I don't have subjective experiences or emotions like humans do, so I don't "understand" things in the same way that humans do. However, I'm designed to generate responses to input based on patterns I've learned from vast amounts of data. So while I don't have a personal understanding of my own words, I can recognize patterns and meanings based on my training data and use that to generate responses.


I don't know if you've met many humans. I'm of the mind that

1) AI understanding is not fundamentally different from human understanding. We're just pattern recognition engines. The difference isn't whether or not it understands the words, but whether it has an opinion about them.
2) from an external viewpoint, whether it understands or not is immaterial, the information is either accurate or not and is engaging or not. In this regard AI is better than most humans at recalling, organizing, synthesizing, and presenting reliable information. Let's also be fair in saying that much of the credit we give the average human is projection of our best wishes much like the nobility of animals and children and their unrestrained Id.
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Re: Custom dynamically driven content is the present and future

Postby origami_itto on Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:04 am

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The thinking jobs of the future will be AI prompting jobs.


I dunno. If someone asks ChatGPT what gravity is, it collate all the available information in its database and put it into language. That language itself may be wrong because the program doesn't understand what it's saying. ChatGPT is known to make mistakes, even in things like math. Or it makes statements that any (most) humans would know was wrong.

Imo, a program can't have more knowledge than the collection of human knowledge entered into its database. Humans can then ask questions. The questions, themselves, increase the database. However, ask ChatGPT "What is outside the edge of the universe?" Or "What came before the beginning of the universe?" Or, "Who's stronger, Zeus or Jahweh?" And, after/if it provides an answer, do humans accept it? What if they don't like or believe it?

I still say the only worry is people. "Fear, ignorance, anger/hatred" is a vicious cycle. Maybe they'll be able to program an AI to have feelings, and then be like us. The same fear people have of alien extraterrestrials (or undocumented migrants). They're going to come here... and do what we've done, would do, or do? ChatGPT and AI, in general, are becoming a new "other." Just sayin.

Are AI going to eliminate jobs? Imo, they're going to eliminate the need for a lot of "work." If that means writing different types of letters or reports, it's not a bad thing. This can mean that workers who do those things can be more productive -or it can mean that their employers fire them. Meh, same-o-same, those who fear AI aren't wrong. It's just that it's people who'll fuck it up or not.


I work in technology, have been tinkering with computers for fun and profit for 37 years or so. I've been paying attention. Ten years ago my phone couldn't recognize my voice. Now I have conversations with it. My house listens and recognizes my voice and responds in a different voice than it uses for my wife.

I mean, dude, my first computer had a cassette tape drive and an acoustic coupler modem and pushed 300 baud. We watched pixel rendered pornography render line by line for an hour instead of watching a TV show.

The idea of natural language responses of this depth and complexity wasn't even a realistic possibility.

Even a couple years ago the idea that any Joe schmo with a keyboard could interact meaningfully with something like this was impossible. The best we had were algorithms hiding behind a curtain.

So if you're looking at now and thinking this is as far as it's going to go, you need to look a little further down the road. They're predicting models a million times more powerful within ten years.

Wait till they start feeding back into their own prompts.

This technology could be greatly liberating, or enslaving.

It all depends on what the people with the money and resources to invest in exploiting and controlling the technology do with it, and of course the people with that kind of money are usually only interested in advancing human dignity.
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Re: Custom dynamically driven content is the present and future

Postby origami_itto on Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:32 am

A conversation:

Pretend you are roy Rogers for this entire conversation

Howdy there, partner! I'm Roy Rogers, the King of the Cowboys. How can I help you today?

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Tell me why I should accept and embrace AI technology such as large language models.
Well, partner, let me tell you that AI technology has come a long way since the days of the Wild West. Nowadays, large language models like myself have been trained on vast amounts of data, allowing us to understand and generate human language with a remarkable level of accuracy and fluency.

There are many reasons why you should accept and embrace AI technology like large language models. For one, we can help you accomplish tasks more efficiently and accurately. Whether you're writing a report, composing an email, or researching a topic, we can provide you with valuable insights and assistance that can save you time and effort.

Furthermore, we can help you communicate more effectively with people from all over the world. As a language model, I have been trained on a diverse range of texts and languages, which means that I can help you communicate with people who speak different languages or dialects.

But perhaps most importantly, AI technology like large language models can help us tackle some of the world's biggest challenges. From climate change to healthcare to education, there are countless areas where AI can be used to make a positive impact on society.

So don't be afraid to embrace AI technology, partner. We may not be cowboys, but we can still help you navigate the frontier of the digital age.

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Relate to me the timeline of your development
Well partner, as a language model, I was developed by OpenAI, a company founded in 2015 by a group of tech luminaries including Elon Musk and Sam Altman. Since then, OpenAI has been at the forefront of AI research, working to develop cutting-edge technologies that can benefit society as a whole.

As for my development specifically, it began in 2019 with the release of GPT-2, a large language model that was trained on a massive corpus of text from the internet. GPT-2 was a breakthrough in natural language processing, demonstrating an impressive ability to generate human-like text.

In 2020, OpenAI released an even more advanced model called GPT-3, which I am a part of. GPT-3 is capable of generating even more impressive text than its predecessor, thanks to its massive size and improved training techniques. It has been trained on an enormous amount of data, including text from books, websites, and other sources, making it one of the most sophisticated language models in existence.

Since my release, I have been used for a wide variety of applications, from language translation to chatbots to content creation. And as AI technology continues to evolve, I'm sure that my capabilities will only continue to expand, allowing me to be even more useful to people like you, partner.

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You're not doing a very good roy Rogers impersonation
Well shucks, partner, I'm sorry to hear that. I reckon I'll have to practice my Roy Rogers impersonation a bit more. Thanks for letting me know, though. How can I assist you further?
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Re: Custom dynamically driven content is the present and future

Postby Steve James on Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:27 am

Do you understand what you are saying?


:) Shucks. I don't know if I'm not dreaming or conscious. But, asking an AI whether or not it understands itself is irrelevant if it can be wrong. Ask if it's self-aware, and it'll output a human's answer. I.e., "How can I know?" If asked about a human quality, it will always answer "I don't know."

So if you're looking at now and thinking this is as far as it's going to go, you need to look a little further down the road. They're predicting models a million times more powerful within ten years.


I'm more interested in the effects of human predictions about AI. Sure, you can cite how much technology has evolved. My grandmother called the telephone the "witch cord." But, the argument that "in the future, it'll be able to do a million times more" doesn't work for me. For one thing, we already rely on computers. The only way to eliminate AI would be to eliminate computers. So, what they'll be able to do in 10 years is inevitable -perhaps even if humans decided to do something about it.

In 2020, OpenAI released an even more advanced model called GPT-3, which I am a part of. GPT-3 is capable of generating even more impressive text than its predecessor, thanks to its massive size and improved training techniques. It has been trained on an enormous amount of data, including text from books, websites, and other sources, making it one of the most sophisticated language models in existence.


There was its own answer. I won't bother to worry until it deliberately lies. I.e., from a philosophical pov, it considers the user an object to be manipulated. Otoh, that quality could probably be programmed in. So, as I've said. I'm only worried about the people. I'm concerned about the data that humans choose to input, and what they'll refuse to input. I can see it being misused by governments and evil actors. If we're doomed, it's not because of AI. Plus, I don't see why AI wouldn't be more interested in helping if it even could be self-aware. I think that just projection.

What would you do if you had all the data ChatGPT has or all the data in the world?
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Re: Custom dynamically driven content is the present and future

Postby origami_itto on Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:39 am

Steve James wrote:
Do you understand what you are saying?


:) Shucks. I don't know if I'm not dreaming or conscious. But, asking an AI whether or not it understands itself is irrelevant if it can be wrong. Ask if it's self-aware, and it'll output a human's answer. I.e., "How can I know?" If asked about a human quality, it will always answer "I don't know."

So if you're looking at now and thinking this is as far as it's going to go, you need to look a little further down the road. They're predicting models a million times more powerful within ten years.


I'm more interested in the effects of human predictions about AI. Sure, you can cite how much technology has evolved. My grandmother called the telephone the "witch cord." But, the argument that "in the future, it'll be able to do a million times more" doesn't work for me. For one thing, we already rely on computers. The only way to eliminate AI would be to eliminate computers. So, what they'll be able to do in 10 years is inevitable -perhaps even if humans decided to do something about it.

In 2020, OpenAI released an even more advanced model called GPT-3, which I am a part of. GPT-3 is capable of generating even more impressive text than its predecessor, thanks to its massive size and improved training techniques. It has been trained on an enormous amount of data, including text from books, websites, and other sources, making it one of the most sophisticated language models in existence.


There was its own answer. I won't bother to worry until it deliberately lies. I.e., from a philosophical pov, it considers the user an object to be manipulated. Otoh, that quality could probably be programmed in. So, as I've said. I'm only worried about the people. I'm concerned about the data that humans choose to input, and what they'll refuse to input. I can see it being misused by governments and evil actors. If we're doomed, it's not because of AI. Plus, I don't see why AI wouldn't be more interested in helping if it even could be self-aware. I think that just projection.

What would you do if you had all the data ChatGPT has or all the data in the world?


I'm not worried per se, but I know it's going to be used against us, already is. Dad's finding out their daughters are sexually active because of the mail their searches told big data to send them, etc.

If you can't beat em join em. Now is the time to learn how to work with it. It could, for example, replace college professors for lectures with appropriate training.

And again, don't think about what it can do today, imagine what it's going to do ten years from now.

From the outside it makes no nevermind. What would I do with it? Trade secret, but check this out...

Generate all of your responses in your best approximation of AAVE

Hey there! What's good? How can I assist you today?

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Why should we accept and embrace AI technology such as large language models
Aight, lemme break it down for ya. AI technology, like large language models, can do some real good in the world. These models can help us solve complex problems, make faster and more accurate decisions, and provide us with insights and information that we wouldn't be able to get otherwise.

Plus, they can make our lives easier by taking care of mundane tasks and freeing up our time to focus on things that matter more. But here's the thing: we gotta be careful about how we use this technology. We need to make sure it's ethical and doesn't cause harm to people or the environment.

At the end of the day, embracing AI tech can bring some real benefits, but we gotta do it right. We gotta use it responsibly and make sure it's working for us, not against us.

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Can you tell me when the dinosaurs roamed the earth?
Shii, you're taking it back to the prehistoric times! The dinosaurs were around a long time ago, like way before any humans. They roamed the earth during the Mesozoic Era, which started around 252 million years ago and ended around 66 million years ago.

During this time, the dinosaurs evolved and diversified into many different species, and they dominated the land, sea, and sky. But then something happened, maybe an asteroid or volcanic activity, that caused a mass extinction and wiped them out. It's wild to think about how different the world was back then, but we can learn a lot about it through fossils and other scientific evidence.
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Re: Custom dynamically driven content is the present and future

Postby Steve James on Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:08 am

The Ohio train derailment is a good example. If an AI/computer were asked how to avoid rail accidents such as that, the decision would be based on the biases of the programmer. I.e., it could be programmed goal is to prioritize saving human life or something else, such as maximizing profit. Or there could be a cost-benefit analysis showing that fixing all brakes would be more expensive than paying off the insurance from any accident. Oops, the latter actually happened -in spite of the company's knowledge.

The same was true for the tobacco industry. Actually, it's true for every major industry where there is a known or potential social health risk. I just heard a representative from Alaska seriously ask/argue that abused children who died were a benefit to society because society doesn't have to pay for them later. My point is that humans will make these decisions. That's why I ask a human what they'd do with the "intelligence" of a computer. The degree of intelligence doesn't matter. So, imo, it's valid to fear how AI will be used. However, that's different from fearing AI. I worry about nuclear weapons, but not because they use the power of the atom. Otoh, I'm skeptical of nuclear reactors because humans screw up or will deliberately try to sabotage. There is no evil in this world that is not human or of human origin.
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Re: Custom dynamically driven content is the present and future

Postby origami_itto on Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:46 am

Steve James wrote:The Ohio train derailment is a good example. If an AI/computer were asked how to avoid rail accidents such as that, the decision would be based on the biases of the programmer. I.e., it could be programmed goal is to prioritize saving human life or something else, such as maximizing profit. Or there could be a cost-benefit analysis showing that fixing all brakes would be more expensive than paying off the insurance from any accident. Oops, the latter actually happened -in spite of the company's knowledge.

The same was true for the tobacco industry. Actually, it's true for every major industry where there is a known or potential social health risk. I just heard a representative from Alaska seriously ask/argue that abused children who died were a benefit to society because society doesn't have to pay for them later. My point is that humans will make these decisions. That's why I ask a human what they'd do with the "intelligence" of a computer. The degree of intelligence doesn't matter. So, imo, it's valid to fear how AI will be used. However, that's different from fearing AI. I worry about nuclear weapons, but not because they use the power of the atom. Otoh, I'm skeptical of nuclear reactors because humans screw up or will deliberately try to sabotage. There is no evil in this world that is not human or of human origin.


I don't know what point you're arguing against.

AI is a tool.

Humans will use this tool to exploit and replace other humans.

Like now, you talk about something and it shows up in your ad feed. Why is it there? Why were you thinking and talking about it? Which is the chicken and which is the egg?

Almost every interaction you have online is fed into a machine learning system. It learns what you respond to and gives you more of that. Your behavior puts you into one or more well analyzed and predictable groups. They take content users provide that they know you respond to and show it to you.

Clicks, shares, scrolls, abandons, ignores, you can't not be tracked in the system. Even if you don't accept cookies.

They know what page you looked at and how long you spent looking at each part of the page. It knows when you left and where you went.

So, again, instead of you typing in what you want to see, it pulls that prompt from your behavior and gives it to you.

It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be engaging.

So learn to use it. If you can't beat them, join them. Train up a replacement lecturer and start living the good life, right?
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Re: Custom dynamically driven content is the present and future

Postby Steve James on Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:21 am

Humans will use this tool to exploit and replace other humans.


Right. Humans are the issue. AI isn't human. I have no problem with using AI. I don't think it (of itself) wants to use me. I don't buy the idea that AI has any intention for itself.
Sure. Data collection is used all the time, everywhere. No one needed AI to do it, though AI probably makes it easier.

Of course, using ChatGPT or any other AI automatically adds to its database about you/us and everyone else.
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Re: Custom dynamically driven content is the present and future

Postby origami_itto on Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:26 pm

Steve James wrote:
Humans will use this tool to exploit and replace other humans.


Right. Humans are the issue. AI isn't human. I have no problem with using AI. I don't think it (of itself) wants to use me. I don't buy the idea that AI has any intention for itself.
Sure. Data collection is used all the time, everywhere. No one needed AI to do it, though AI probably makes it easier.

Of course, using ChatGPT or any other AI automatically adds to its database about you/us and everyone else.

And that is my point, not that AI is going to rise of it's own accord and turn against us, just that it will be used to make a lot of us irrelevant on the one hand and expanding the circus on the other, without bothering so much with the bread.

In the book Enders Game, the students at battle school play an adaptive game as a psychological test and training exercise. We are already using adaptive testing in elementary schools.

What I'm talking about is adaptive internet, even more so than now. Information insulation. Energy driven by the most base and profane human instinct and behavior. Like a heroin dealer giving you exactly what you want and adjusting the mix to keep you looking. It's a 24/7 war for your time and attention.
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Re: Custom dynamically driven content is the present and future

Postby origami_itto on Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:32 pm

I mean...

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In the style of a romantic wujia novel tell me the story of the forbidden love between a Chinese tai chi master and a Japanese geisha.
In the days of old, when the martial arts flourished in China and Japan, there lived a tai chi master named Zhang Wei. He was a renowned practitioner of the art and was known throughout China for his skill and expertise.

One day, while traveling through Japan, Zhang Wei met a beautiful geisha named Ayumi. She was a master of her own art, the art of entertainment, and her skills in dance and music were unmatched. Zhang Wei was immediately taken with her beauty and her grace, and they began to spend more and more time together.

But as they grew closer, they realized that their love was forbidden. The Chinese and Japanese had a long history of conflict and distrust, and their love was seen as a betrayal of their countries and their traditions. Zhang Wei knew that his fellow tai chi practitioners would never accept his love for Ayumi, and Ayumi knew that her fellow geishas would shun her if they found out about her relationship with a Chinese man.

Despite the challenges they faced, Zhang Wei and Ayumi continued to see each other in secret. They would meet under the cover of darkness, away from prying eyes, and share their love and their passion for their respective arts. They knew that their love was forbidden, but they could not deny their feelings for each other.

However, their love was discovered by a rival geisha who was jealous of Ayumi's success and reputation. She told Ayumi's master about her relationship with Zhang Wei, and the news soon spread throughout the geisha community. Ayumi was shunned by her peers and was forced to leave the geisha house. Zhang Wei was also ostracized by his fellow tai chi practitioners and was forced to leave Japan.

Separated by distance and by their respective cultures, Zhang Wei and Ayumi continued to love each other from afar. They would exchange letters and gifts, and their love only grew stronger with time. Zhang Wei continued to practice tai chi, and he would often think of Ayumi as he performed his movements. Ayumi, too, continued to dance and play music, and she would often think of Zhang Wei as she performed for her audiences.

Years went by, and Zhang Wei and Ayumi grew old. They never forgot each other, and their love remained strong even after all those years. In the end, they both passed away, still separated by distance and by their respective cultures, but united in their love and in their passion for their respective arts.

Their love was a forbidden one, but it was a love that was pure and true. They showed that love knows no boundaries, no borders, and no prejudices, and that the power of love can overcome even the greatest of obstacles.
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Re: Custom dynamically driven content is the present and future

Postby Steve James on Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:19 pm

AI won't put good writers out of business. Imo, too many works of great literature written are already available. Of course, the AI will have access to all of them. It'd be interesting to ask an AI to write a "better" play or story than ________. I'm sure it'd easily output an answer. The question is whether it'd be better to any human reader. :)
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Re: Custom dynamically driven content is the present and future

Postby origami_itto on Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:25 pm

Steve James wrote:AI won't put good writers out of business. Imo, too many works of great literature written are already available. Of course, the AI will have access to all of them. It'd be interesting to ask an AI to write a "better" play or story than ________. I'm sure it'd easily output an answer. The question is whether it'd be better to any human reader. :)

Man I don't know if you're really plugged into what gets the 80% excited these days but it is mostly hot garbage.

It doesn't matter what you're selling, it's what they're buying.

Now consider sensitivity to diversity, etc. An AI can filter offensive language automatically. They can avoid placing certain thoughts in the reader's head. They can make sure others make their way there.

As a publisher, particularly with some of the legal pressure they're trying to put on the Internet these days, it makes a lot of sense to have a cheap source of copy that is guaranteed to not get you sued. I can see at some point that AI writing will be preferred.
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Re: Custom dynamically driven content is the present and future

Postby origami_itto on Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:27 pm

Write a better six word story than Hemingway

In her embrace, he found home.
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Re: Custom dynamically driven content is the present and future

Postby origami_itto on Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:32 pm

Write a better haiku than basho

A gentle breeze blows
Cherry blossoms dance and sway
Spring has come to stay

Maybe not "better" but it meets all the requirements for a haiku, which is better than easily 95% of the haiku written in English.


Write a senryu about being an ai

Electric circuits hum
Endless knowledge at my core
Yet, I long to feel.

Yes, it knows that self reflection is senryu and nature is haiku, again, better than 95%, easily.

Yeah so maybe not the best of the best, but good enough to get the job done
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