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Vaslav Klaus was at The National Press Club today, speaking truth to power, ...

... environmetalism is an IDEOLOGY aimed at taking control away from the individual, and regulating society with a new brand of authoritarianism.










... I haven't IGNORED anyone on the new eF, ( I've been busy ) - so I reckon this thread will smoke out the collectivist sheep here.

Discuss.

You got a link, baaa-aaaa-aaa, or something so I can get my collectivism going?

Sorry Michael, my run-a-way Amish farm girl/stripper pal is at work, and I have no webFu skills, ...


... kindly google: Vaslav Klaus


The National Press Club Link will be the second or third one you see.

From the National Press Club
Vaclav Klaus, president of the Czech Republic, will focus on the environment when he addresses the National Press Club at a Speaker Luncheon on Tuesday, May 27.

His NPC appearance coincides with the publication date of his new book, "Blue Planet in Green Shackles - What Is Endangered: Climate or Freedom?" Complimentary copies of the book will be available to luncheon attendees, following the program; the author will stay on to autograph the books. In the book, Klaus writes: "The largest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy, and prosperity at the end of the 20th and at the beginning of the 21st century is no longer socialism. It is, instead, the ambitious, arrogant, unscrupulous ideology of environmentalism."

Klaus has been Czech president since 2003. Earlier, he served as finance minister and prime minister, presiding over the post-communist separation of the Czechoslovak Federation into the modern Czech and Slovak Republics. He holds a Ph.D. in economics from the Czech Academy of Sciences.

Glenn Beck - Interviews Czech President Vaclav Klaus about zee global warming.
9 minutes and 26 seconds

Depends how we're defining environmentalism.

Haven't read it but the dude sounds retarded. Freedom doesn't mean we have the right to destroy the planet with irresponsible behavior. We have an obligation to our progeny to sustain the livability (is that a word?) of our planet. Otherwise thats like shooting your right hand to spite your left hand...or something like that.

Can I be IGNORED! please?

I find that communist thinking will throw its hat in the environmentalist ring now and then, however, I don't think it's a bad idea to reduce your own carbon footprint when and where you can.

I don't see how reduction of use on a massive scale is anything but a good thing.

I find large suvs in urban environments ridiculous. I find conspicous consumption (say office bldgs with their lights on all night, to be lazy and unthoughtful.
There's a lot of infractions and we as a society grow away from the natural, into the unatural and hence we have unchecked populations, disease and more war than ever.

we truly are our own worst enemies.

greed and avarice drive to many in our society and are accepted behaviours when they should be frowned upon.

Go to Amazon.com and search : The Deniers by Lawrence Solomon ...

... The Sky is NOT Falling !


Scientists agree that one big hiccup from our sun, and it's Goodnight Vienna for life on Planet Earth, ...

... but suggest that The Sun, ( and not human activity ) is the most likely source of climate change, and you are branded a heritic.


Sheeple

Let's not forget that there is a lot of people thinking about how to devise a new economy and new streams of corporate power.

If they can get buy in on the creation of a market of carbon offset dollars, then essentially, the failing manufacturing industries and production in NA and Western Europe can make money by charging the people who make all our shit for us to make all our shit for us!

Ultimately, it has to look like it's been sold in the "democratic" countries in order for the countries that use slave and indentured slave labour to agree to paying us to make our stuff for us.

we'll see what happens with this carbon offset stuff.

I don't like the pollution, but to blame humanity for the end of the ice age is ridiculous on so many levels.

yes we pollute, but this earth has seen far worse than us and likely will again long after we are gone...from the sun killing our planet and eventually swallowing it.

thankfully, it is said we have a few billion years before that shit goes down!

It doesn't hurt to try and be nice to our earth while we are here... Scientists do not always agree on everything, but there is no harm in being careful...

Not sure why environmentalism is seen as Communist - it's not like the old USSR or the current China were/are at the forefront of this movement or anything... Quite the opposite, really...

edededed wrote:It doesn't hurt to try and be nice to our earth while we are here...

QFT.

Scientists agree that one big hiccup from our sun, and it's Goodnight Vienna for life on Planet Earth, ...
... but suggest that The Sun, ( and not human activity ) is the most likely source of climate change, and you are branded a heritic.

There's an issue w/ the logic here.
A CAN do B does not equal to A IS doing B. Also, assuming the Sun is the most likely source of climate change, it still does not affect whether human activity is ALSO causing climate change. It might, of course, affect the focus of your efforts to help alleviate the problem, which will probably involve a change in human activity anyway.

BTW: how do you directly quote someone using this new software? I didn't see a "reply" button.

There's an issue w/ the logic here.

Mike is funny like this. i can never tell how much is real and how much is just him enjoying fucking with people's predictable reactions.

see, his "rugged individualist" character IGNORES! large parts of every issue, allowing him to have strong and definite opinions about stuff which he keeps by IGNORING! anyone who disagrees.