Re: Wu v Chan 1954
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:33 am
wuwei wrote:True. People always want to focus on the negative things, how bad their performances were….Instead, we can look at it as a great valuable lesson to them, and how they improved their game afterwards. I also heard that the son of Wu Gong Yi, Wu Da Kui was a good fighter too. Presumably a happy ending to this embarrassing episode?
Great perspective. Punong Guro Denny often asks fighters before their first Gathering if they remember the first time they had sex. He then asks, "were you any good?" and "have you gotten better?" You get the point. I know that the first time I fought in a Dog Brothers Gathering, I got smashed physically and egoically. After healing up, I realized that the experience was exactly what I needed - a reminder of the poison that is ego, and a lesson that explicitly highlighted the holes/ weak areas I needed to focus on and improve.
Bao wrote:Greg J wrote: why does it look like they are slap boxing?
Restricted rules set. Western boxing was an "in" thing. The audience wanted a boxing match. Only western boxing rules, nothing else allowed. Even the kicks you see was prohibited.
The people who arranged it wanted a match for 6 rounds. They were told they must last. Also consider that Wu was about 60 years old and Chan in his 30s, so Chan must take it easy. The arrangers, and as said, the police, had interests from betting. This was also a reason they wanted a long match. But the match was stopped after two rounds, due to one of them hurting his arm.
They can't keep their guards up, so they probably both sucked as fighters (or maybe it was about looking bold and brave?) But still the reasons above explains why it looks a certain way and why they issue single strikes and why no one tries to just run the other one down.
Apparently Dong Yingye was furious after watching the match and told Wu that he was a disgrace and that he knew nothing about Taiji.liokault wrote:, after this embarrassing face losing farce, they actually started sparring with gloves and force.
Again, it was a western boxing rules set. The boxing the Chinese knew about was older western boxing. The glove thing was not something they didn't consider because it hadn't caught up with them. To most people's knowledge western boxing meant a bare knuckle fight.Ah Louis wrote:Oh what a joy, convincing people and yourself you know something when you don't. Must be tough to believe your own hype losing sight of reality and actually be delusional enough to take a fight. A fight that results in exposing you as a fraud to the world for ever.
It's an unfair comment regardless how bad you think about this match. Again, they were not allowed to use any style knowledge as throws, knees, elbows etc. If you are going to expose some one as fraud, you need to set him free and let him show what he can and allow him to use his skill set.
Good to know the context! You also have a very balanced view about the whole ordeal.
Bao wrote:A quite good detailed analysis... From Kungfu mag forum, 2003...
http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/sho ... post261824
Some very interesting material in here. Thanks for sharing!
Best,
Greg