Political Humor Only Please

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Re: Political Humor Only Please

Postby grzegorz on Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:30 pm

Steve James wrote:Yeah, the tax reform is a big joke. Remember, the guy who promoted it said it wouldn't benefit him ;), just the middle class. I think I 'll end up paying taxes this year too, for the first time in ages. Anyway, just like the federal workers who were furloughed during the shutdown, we're making a patriotic sacrifice to get that wall built. We're taking one for the gipper.


Usually we get money back those days are over. The funny thing is I work in an area full of doctors and lawyers, some of own 2 Teslas! When I see these people I always think that I am glad they got their tax break because they sure needed it!

The good news is the sale of super yachts and share buy backs are up and I am reminded that a second set of tax cuts were supposed to go through.

Watch "Abigail Disney on Trump’s Tax Cuts and the 1%" on YouTube

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Re: Political Humor Only Please

Postby grzegorz on Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:39 pm

Speaking of death threats and stalking.


Sandy Hook Families Gain in Defamation Suits Against Alex Jones

Families of Sandy Hook victims have racked up a string of victories in three defamation lawsuits against the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.CreditJim Lo Scalzo/EPA, via Shutterstock

By Elizabeth Williamson

Feb. 7, 2019

Families of the Sandy Hook school shooting victims have won a series of victories in their defamation suits against the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones that would open Mr. Jones’s business records to them and compel him to speak under oath.

Ten families are pursuing lawsuits against Mr. Jones over his role in spreading bogus claims about the shooting, including that the victims’ families were actors in a plot to confiscate firearms from Americans. The families have endured death threats, stalking and online abuse.

Mr. Jones, a far-right provocateur and the owner of Infowars, a radio show and website on which he sells diet supplements, survivalist gear and gun paraphernalia, has come under growing scrutiny over the past year and has lost access to much of his online audience. Facebook, Twitter, Apple and YouTube have all banned him, and a recent deal for his show to stream on Roku was revoked last month after public outrage.

The suits by the Sandy Hook families have advanced on several fronts in recent weeks.

A Texas judge on Jan. 25 ordered Mr. Jones and representatives of his company to submit to questioning by lawyers for Scarlett Lewis, the mother of Jesse Lewis, one of the 20 children killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., in 2012. The Texas judge also granted access to Mr. Jones’s relevant business records, and denied his lawyer’s motion to keep the records sealed.

In Connecticut, a judge ordered Infowars representatives and business partners to testify, and a ruling is expected as soon as mid-February on the families’ request to depose Mr. Jones, and several Infowars “reporters” and associates.

They include Wolfgang Halbig, a former school administrator and Infowars contributor who for years has deluged Newtown officials with open records requests, demanding, among other things, records from the cleanup of “bodily fluids, brain matter, skull fragments and around 45-60 gallons of blood.”

Some families of the victims have been subjected to years of harassment from people who have embraced the bogus crisis-actor theory promoted by Mr. Jones.

Robbie and Alissa Parker’s eldest daughter, 6-year-old Emilie, died in the Dec. 14, 2012 shooting that killed six adults as well as the 20 first graders.

In October 2016 in Seattle, Mr. Parker was walking to meet his family at a hotel, he said, when a middle-age man, dressed in khakis and a sport coat, approached him. The man, Mr. Parker said, asked if he had lost a child at Sandy Hook.

“Yes, my daughter,” Mr. Parker responded, offering his hand. The man ignored it, and instead spewed obscenities at him, Mr. Parker said.

The man trailed him, “jabbering in my ear,” Mr. Parker recalled in an interview, as he walked for blocks, trying to put distance between the harasser and his family.

“It was absolute venom,” said Mr. Parker, who is a plaintiff in one of three defamation suits against Mr. Jones. “He was absolutely disgusted with the person that he believed that I was.”

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Mr. Jones did not respond to requests for comment. His lawyer, Marc Randazza, acknowledged the series of decisions in favor of the families, but said, “If you’re keeping score here, this is just the coin toss.”

Mr. Jones’s role in spreading baseless conspiracies about the families began within days of the shooting.

The night after the shooting, Mr. Parker had agreed to meet a news crew in front of a Newtown church to share a statement about Emilie. Surprised to find a sea of waiting reporters and cameras, he gasped out a nervous laugh before stepping forward to speak.

“This world is a better place because she has been in it,” he said, his voice cracking.

The footage ricocheted among conspiracy theorists, and Mr. Jones seized on it. “He’s laughing, and then he goes over and starts basically breaking down and crying,” Mr. Jones told his followers, according to court documents. “This needs to be investigated. They’re clearly using this to go after our guns.”

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On another show, Mr. Jones mocked Mr. Parker’s emotions as “method acting.”

Mr. Randazza said the issue was not one of taste but of Mr. Jones’s First Amendment rights.

"If we’re going to reset the rules about what you’re allowed to say, then let’s reset them for everyone,” Mr. Randazza said. “And I don’t think anybody would be happy with that.”

Mr. Jones, once an obscure radio personality, gained national visibility in 2015, when Donald J. Trump appeared on his show as a presidential candidate, praising his “amazing” reputation. Mr. Jones has invited a number of Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists on his show, shared video footage and some families’ photos and personal information.

Mr. Trump has echoed Mr. Jones’s claims that establishment media companies have conspired to silence conservative voices online, and in November, the White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, used a misleading Infowars video to bolster the administration’s claims that a CNN reporter had manhandled a White House aide.

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As the lawsuits inch toward trial, Mr. Jones is fighting to shield his records and himself. Last week the Connecticut Supreme Court rejected his appeal, letting stand the lower court’s ruling granting access to his records. Also last week, Mr. Jones’s lawyers and Mr. Halbig, who is representing himself, filed a request to change the location of an eventual jury trial from Fairfield County, which encompasses Newtown, to a Connecticut county more distant from the scene of the shooting.

The families are asserting that the case is about preventing harmful falsehoods from proliferating in the “post-truth” ecosystem of the internet.

“This was not journalism. It was marketing; Jones used these lies to sell his Infowars brand products for profit,” the families’ Connecticut lawyers wrote in court documents. The families are represented by Koskoff Koskoff & Bieder in Connecticut, and by Farrar & Ball in Texas.

Though Infowars and its affiliates are private and do not report financial results, a New York Times investigation last year found that in 2014 Infowars’ revenue was more than $20 million a year, according to testimony Mr. Jones provided in an unrelated court case. Mr. Jones recently claimed revenue of up to $50 million, saying on his show that it “all goes to lawyers.”

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Last week, the police arrested a man suspected of stalking Emilie Parker’s family sporadically for years, sending letters that terrified them, because they realized he knew where they lived.

Authorities said the man, Kevin Purfield, 51, of Portland, Ore., was arrested on stalking charges after he repeatedly called and wrote the editor of The Oregonian, asserting that its reporting on Sandy Hook and other mass shootings was false, because they never happened. Mr. Purfield was imprisoned in 2013 for harassing victims’ families after the 2012 mass shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo. When his probation ended, he resumed harassing the Parkers, Mr. Parker said.

Mr. Parker and his family joined the legal effort against Mr. Jones only after speaking with a family whose daughter died in the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in Parkland, Fla., last year.

“The mom said, ‘My husband did a media interview, and now he just gets attacked online by all these conspiracy theorists,’” Mr. Parker said.

“I thought, ‘These people aren’t going away,’” he said. “‘It’s time for us to see what we can do about it.’”

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Here's a report of acfual violence by someone wearing a MAGA hat.

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Re: Political Humor Only Please

Postby grzegorz on Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:54 pm

Too much topic on Covington already. Someone should have started a separate thread.

Back to the tax cuts. Numbers don't lie.

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Re: Political Humor Only Please

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Re: Political Humor Only Please

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Re: Political Humor Only Please

Postby oragami_itto on Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:46 pm

Meanwhile, one of the shining stars in the right wing's intellectual firmament

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Re: Political Humor Only Please

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Re: Political Humor Only Please

Postby grzegorz on Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:41 am

The base is slowly waking up after doing their taxes. Like the 49 year old says I also never paid thousands of dollars and always got a refund until now.

Thanks Trump....

Watch "Trump Voters Turn On Him: We Trusted You!" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/p3xjn8oORZs
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Re: Political Humor Only Please

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Re: Political Humor Only Please

Postby Michael on Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:40 pm

Diversity is our strength. Wait, I mean ignorance is our strength. Err no, war is peace. Freedom is definitely slavery.
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Re: Political Humor Only Please

Postby BruceP on Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:59 pm

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Re: Political Humor Only Please

Postby Michael on Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:28 pm

A day or two later, Sandmann said he respects Phillips and would like to speak to him. Compare that to what Phillips said in the few interviews he gave, and then observe whose statements were amplified by the press and to what end. We can't move away. We have to stay and figure it out.
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Re: Political Humor Only Please

Postby Steve James on Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:39 pm

Michael wrote:A day or two later, Sandmann said he respects Phillips and would like to speak to him. Compare that to what Phillips said in the few interviews he gave, and then observe whose statements were amplified by the press and to what end. We can't move away. We have to stay and figure it out.


Yeah, that old guy was really a piece of work. :) He studies an an Indian martial art that enables him to take on multiple attackers. They're lucky he didn't go on the warpath. What did he think he was doing.

Yeah, those 20 boys were innocent of committing the facecrime of looking like racist thugs. That's a good thing, though ... not being racist doesn't deserve congratulations or a pat on the back.

Anyway, since none of them were doing anything wrong, I've always wondered what they were doing right. Yeah, he was standing there, but why? Was it to show that he wouldn't be intimidated by the Indian man --while his boys were looking on. Well, okay, but ... it wasn't exactly heroic. Then again, I'm kinda old-fashioned, so I'd even respected the elderly when I could easily defy them. But, luckily, Sandmann and his crew showed restraint. But, you know, if he had helped the old gent then, that whole picture would have been read differently. Imagine the caption, "White Catholic Trump supporters join Native American."

Afa "we have to figure it out," if you mean figure out why people who saw those images thought what they did, that's not hard at all. It had a bit to do with the Trumpwear, but even more to do with the fact that they were White kids confronting a single/lone/elderly Brown man. It does look more like a lynch mob than an Indian attack. The crowd reaction was the fear that the worst expectations about Trump youth were confirmed. Sorry.

If it's about figuring out how not to profile people from their dress or political affiliation, cool. Stereotypes and stereotyping are not good. It's so very unfair. :)
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Re: Political Humor Only Please

Postby Michael on Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:16 pm

Why do you think the kids confronted Phillips and his group as opposed to the other way around?
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Re: Political Humor Only Please

Postby Michael on Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:36 pm



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSkpPaiUF8s

At 2:47 it shows the Indian group walking directly into the Covington Kids, passing by an open lane toward the memorial. The Indians confronted the Covington Kids.

Sandmann never moved. Phillips walked directly to him and began banging a drum inches from his face. Which is totally fine. Sandmann stood there smiling. Which is also totally fine.

Further demonstration at 4:43 that Phillips did not try to move past Sandmann. Which is fine. But Sandmann did not confront Phillips, or if it's phrased that way, it was a mutual confrontation...that was totally fine. Neither did anything wrong during the meeting/confrontation.

At 6:47, the Indian in the red hat told one of the boys this was not his land and he should return to Europe. Sandman appears to be gesturing for his classmate to not argue with the Indian telling him to get out of America.
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