windwalker wrote:t
I have long since respected much of their work (Systema), even though from what little I've heard about it, it seems to be based on a different idea.
people talk of being warriors, fighters, ect....but when presented with a military unit that uses some of what seem to be
from my POV the same ideas its not held to the same standards as some of the work shown by the Chinese masters, why is that?
Because in Systema it isn't "empty force"
No contact work is an aspect of training - but the top guys say it is something you can rely on maybe 50% of the time. And who wants to go into battle with a gun firing 50% blanks?
Steve James wrote:The problem is that anyone can say that anything looks like anything. There are systema folks here; do they call what Ryabko does "empty force"? If they do, the question becomes "what do they mean?" If they agree with the "empty force" shown in the other videos, then that's settled. If, otoh, "empty force" is simply an application of physics, then there's no problem in terms of belief, but there's the fact that physics can be measured and explained.
Although the existence of dark matter is generally accepted by the mainstream scientific community, there is no generally agreed direct detection of it. Other theories, including MOND and TeVeS, are some alternative theories of gravity proposed to try to explain the anomalies for which dark matter is intended to account.
doesnt matter what its called only matters what they can do, and weather it was felt by them, or weather its faked, compliant students, cult, ect.
Although the existence of dark matter is generally accepted by the mainstream scientific community, there is no generally agreed direct detection of it.
There's no such thing as an "empty force" in physics. Force, by definition, is something that causes an object to change direction or velocity; it can't be "empty" or zero and still cause change. Well, that just means that it isn't a "force"; creating "emptiness" can obviously cause change. That is what we see in many of the demonstrations. It's like watching what happens when someone thinks an object he tries to move is lighter (or heavier) than he expects.
There are also too many types of examples to make any sense of at all. The guy in the "empty force fail" video is one. If there were a military use for that type of "force," every military in the world (especially the Chinese) would be experts at it. If there is/was a technique to allow a soldier to make the enemy drop their weapons using no touch (excluding greater firepower, of course), it'd soon replace hand to hand combat. Actually, it has been discussed. Ever see "The Men who Stare at Goats"?
The Meaning of Force
A force is a push or pull upon an object resulting from the object's interaction with another object. Whenever there is an interaction between two objects, there is a force upon each of the objects. When the interaction ceases, the two objects no longer experience the force. Forces only exist as a result of an interaction.
For simplicity sake, all forces (interactions) between objects can be placed into two broad categories:
contact forces, and forces resulting from action-at-a-distance
Steve James wrote:If you find a physicist who thinks that empty force is dark matter, let us know. Otherwise, I'd say it's simply a product of the ego.doesnt matter what its called only matters what they can do, and weather it was felt by them, or weather its faked, compliant students, cult, ect.
windwalker wrote:never said it was, what I did say is that it appears to have some similar effects, and is talked about in the same way.
you statement doesnt make much sense to me, as someone who was in the military, why would anyone train on something that is known only to work 50% of the time.
If some one asked me about it, just from the clips posted Ive seen over the years, I would have to say like the chinese systems, much of it is based on what ever one chooses to call it.
we can easily measure the force it took to stop him
windwalker wrote:we can easily measure the force it took to stop him
wow,,,okay I bite,,,
in my hand that I held up was gun . did it stop his force, or did he stop it?
what would we measure?
kinda my point, look at the vides if it matters, and listen to what the people say, both in Chinese and Russian.
I didnt call it dark matter, its from what I posted. you should read it again.
Return to Been There Done That
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 54 guests