Israels fake history..?

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Re: Israels fake history..?

Postby Overlord on Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:45 am

Michael, if you happen to watch the clips posted carefully, you know the point I am making is that black African were the true Jews at least once upon a time.

So by this argument, it is not hard to understand why the Sudanese were allowed to stay in Israel, they were the true Jews.

The cruel facts is, Israelites are not treating Palestinian right at the moment, so let us cut "hate" BS. No double standard. One wrong does not make another wrong right.
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Re: Israels fake history..?

Postby Michael on Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:15 am

I don't think Israel is treating the Palestinians right, either.
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Re: Israels fake history..?

Postby Steve James on Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:31 am

Well, too bad nobody thought to paint a picture of Moses. However, I think there's a problem looking at ancient history through the lens of race. Of course, it starts with the connection made between "African" and "Black." For some, it's derogatory; others adopt as a matter of pride. I remember when people, even my professors, knew next to nothing about Egypt; and the fact that it was located on the African continent was never noted. Well, because Africans are Black and Egyptians aren't or weren't; at least that was the story.

Anyway, the Egyptians did leave paintings, and so we know they came in many colors. We also know that the people who would form the basis for "the Jews" came out of Egypt. But, other than Moses, they may not have considered themselves Egyptians. Did the pre-Exodus people look like Egyptians; or did they look one way at all? The people who left Egypt were ... well, everyone who wanted to go. Now, what their colors were??
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Re: Israels fake history..?

Postby Michael on Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:15 am

Sometimes I'm glad I don't know that history. I think that's why it's time for a UN Security Council consensus to be essentially imposed upon the two groups who can't get it together, and paid for by those 5 countries, who apparently have either more to lose or more sense, except there always seems to be one member of the Security Council who isn't like the others, lol. It's almost like Israel is becoming a heat sink for Anglo-American stubbornness.
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Re: Israels fake history..?

Postby Steve James on Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:46 am

Race, religion, politics ... all things people have suggested Not be discussed at the dinner table. Now, when they're all bound up to each: i.e., that it's important which "race" it was or which religion was first, it's easy to see why there'll be no consensus on a UN resolution.
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Re: Israels fake history..?

Postby Overlord on Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:12 am



For those interested.
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Re: Israels fake history..?

Postby Doc Stier on Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:34 am

OK, now I get it. The first Jews, aka the Israelites, were allegedly Black people because they were slaves in Egypt prior to the Exodus, just like the pre-Civil War slaves of the American Deep South were Black people. Is that what has been implied here? :/
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Re: Israels fake history..?

Postby wiesiek on Sun Oct 26, 2014 2:38 pm

not quite black Doc,
some milk was on the top :)
you know, nomadic desert tribe ...
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Re: Israels fake history..?

Postby Interloper on Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:17 pm

Please read this for a deeper understanding.
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Re: Israels fake history..?

Postby Overlord on Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:11 pm


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Re: Israels fake history..?

Postby Doc Stier on Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:29 pm

Ai-aah! Yau mo gau cho aah! :/
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Re: Israels fake history..?

Postby Overlord on Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:03 pm

Doc Stier wrote:Ai-aah! Yau mo gau cho aah! :/


Doc,

Sorry to stir your and others racial discomfort. But if you dont like it, you dont have to watch it.
These clips is for people who are interested. :)
I fount it interesting to look history from another angle...and perhaps there maybe people who think in the same token.
Usually I will look at the evidence and claim. And in the last two clips, I found very interesting.


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Re: Israels fake history..?

Postby Interloper on Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:40 pm

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Once again, the real racism is forgotten
SHIMON OHAYON November 27, 2014, 12:21 pm 13

The controversy surrounding Amir Benayoun and whether his recent song “Ahmed Loves Israel“ should lead to cancelation of his invitation from the president’s residence has sadly become a major distraction from a far greater injustice predicated on racism and discrimination. Few people who have followed this front-page story are aware that the event at which Benayoun was supposed to appear was the first ever official state ceremony in commemoration of the Jewish refugees from Arab countries.

The real issue of racism here is the expulsion and forcing out of 850,000 people from their ancestral homes because they were Jews and no one is talking about that, or has talked about it for 66 years. Suddenly a song that some consider offensive is gaining attention and once again people are forgetting about the historic injustice done to so many people that has still not been rectified.


Unfortunately, most are not aware of the history of the Jews and their eventual ethnic cleansing from the Middle East and North Africa during the Twentieth Century. While the Land of Israel was the birthplace of the Jewish People, for thousands of years Jews developed their unique and indigenous civilization around the Middle East. Jews and Jewish communities have existed in the Middle East, North Africa, Babylon, the Levant, the Arabian Peninsula and the Gulf region for millennia.

Well before the advent of Islam, the Arab conquest, colonization and occupation of the region, Jews lived and thrived in the Middle East.

However, during the centuries after the Islamic conquest in the Seventh Century, the region became forcibly ‘Arabized’, becoming known as the ‘Arab World’, and the original non-Arab peoples, including the Jews, became minorities in their own lands. Under Islamic rule, Jews, as well as Christians and other minorities, were considered dhimmi, second-class citizens, forced to pay special taxes and wear distinctive signs and articles of clothing and suffered other discriminatory decrees and legislation. The position of the Jews was frequently precarious.

Over the centuries, there were numerous massacres and ethnic cleansings of Jews in the Middle East and North Africa, such as the many Jewish communities in the Arabian Peninsula which were wiped out in the Seventh Century. In Morocco, Libya and Algeria Jews were forced to live in ghettos or mellahs. On other occasions, as in places like Yemen and Iraq, Jews were given the choice of converting to Islam or facing death. False accusations and blood libels frequently led to massive riots in Jewish areas leaving many dead, expelled and degraded. In the 1930’s and 1940’s, there were Nazi-inspired massacres against Jews in Libya and Algeria, the most infamous of which was a pogrom in Baghdad known as the Farhud.

Following the United Nations Partition Plan, which recommended the creation of a Jewish State in the Land of Israel, the Political Committee of the Arab League drafted a law that was to govern the legal status of Jewish residents in all Arab League countries. This law, instituted across the Arab world, demanded that Jews be seen as enemies and their assets frozen or confiscated, their citizenship stripped. They were frequently imprisoned or worse.

These and other state-sanctioned repressive measures, often coupled with violence and repression, precipitated a mass displacement and expulsion of Jews, who were forced to leave without their significant assets and property, and caused the Jewish refugee problem in the Middle East. This problem was exacerbated by a continuing expulsion and exodus of Jews en masse from Arab countries until the 1970’s, in what can only be described as ethnic cleansing.

The personal and communal assets left behind were substantial, far greater than those lost by Arabs who fled during Israel’s battle for independence and national liberation. Many of these Jews, who make up the majority of the Jewish population of Israel with their descendants, were barely able to escape with little more than the clothes on their back.

Earlier in the year, I was proud to have authored and passed a law which for the first time created an official national day of commemoration for the Jewish refugees from Arab countries. On this day, there will be special Knesset sessions devoted to the issue; the Education Ministry is enjoined to ensure schools teach students about the history and expulsion of their ancestors; and the Foreign Ministry will instruct its representatives around the world to commemorate the occasion appropriately.

With our partners around the world, organizations like Justice for Jews from Arab Countries (JJAC) and Jews Indigenous to the Middle East and North Africa (JIMENA), based in the US, Harif in the UK and Organization of Jews of Libya & Sant Egidio in Italy, we are arranging a host of events around the world, including in Washington D.C., New York, Montreal, Sydney, Singapore, Paris, London and Rome, and a commemorative event at the United Nations.

Unfortunately, much of this is now of lesser interest and the only focus appears to be on the appearance of a singer who wrote a song some find offensive and call racist. It is my sincerest hope that we turn our attention to the real issue of racism and the ethnic cleansing of Jews from what has now become known as the ‘Arab world’.

If we focus on one song but forget the plight of hundreds of thousands of Jews who have still found no redress, recognition, compensation or apology for being thrown out of their homes, communities and countries then we as a nation have our priorities completely wrong.

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Travails of Jews from Arab Lands finally recognized after 66 years

History was made on Sunday, November 30, when for the first time in the annals of the state, official recognition was given to Jewish refugees from Arab lands and Iran.

The event, hosted by President Reuven Rivlin at his official residence, was the continuum of legislation that was passed by the Knesset in June of this year designating November 30 as the national day of commemoration of the plight of Jewish refugees from Arab lands and Iran. The date was significant in that it commemorates the day after the anniversary of the November 29, 1947 United Nations resolution on the partition of Palestine, which led to an immediate flare up of anti-Zionist action and policy among Arab states, resulting in the killing, persecution, humiliation, oppression and expulsion of Jews, the sequestration of Jewish property and a war against the nascent State of Israel.

In 1948 close to a million Jews lived in Arab lands. Some were massacred in pogroms. Most fled or were expelled between 1948 and 1967. In 1948 there were 260,000 Jews in Morocco. Today there are less than 3,000. In the same time frame, the Jewish population of Algeria declined from 135,000 to zero, in Tunisia from 90,000 to a thousand, in Libya from 40,000 to zero, in Egypt from 75,000 to less than one hundred, in Iraq from 125,000 to zero, in Yemen from 45,000 to approximately 200, in Syria from 27,000 to 100, and in Lebanon from 10,000 in the 1950s to less than 100.

Although various attempts were made over the years by leaders of these communities in Israel and academics stemming from these communities to secure the same kind of recognition for the suffering of Jews in Arab lands as is accorded to the Jews of Europe, nothing of major substance was done until the bill proposed by MKs Shimon Ohayon of Yisrael Beiteinu and Nissim Zeev of Shas was placed on the national agenda.

The intention behind the bill said Ohayon on Sunday night, was to ensure that the stories of what happened to Jews in and from Arab lands and Iran should be part of the school curriculum, because most Israeli children are entirely ignorant of these chapters in the diverse aspects of Jewish heritage. Just as they learn about the history and fate of the Jews of Europe, they should also learn the history of the Jews of the region, he said. He placed great significance on national recognition, saying that this would lead to international acknowledgement so that Jews who left everything they owned behind, could be compensated. There were no words to describe his excitement that this day had come said Ohayon, but he was simultaneously pained that the Tel Aviv Cinematheque had chosen at this time to show films of the Arab Nakba (catastrophe) in 1948, while overlooking documentaries and feature films about the suffering of Jews from Arab lands and Iran. He related the story of a woman who had told him that her son, a university student, knows all about Nakba, but not about the travails endured by his grandfather before he came to Israel.

Zeev, the Jerusalem born son of Iraqi parents concurred with Ohayon and emphasized how important it was for the world to know about the tragedy that befell so many hundreds of thousands of people. Of the Jewish refugees from Arab lands and Iran, 650,000 came to Israel, he said, and the rest went mostly to Europe and America.

But before they became refugees, they and their forebears made great contributions to Jewish culture and to the cultures and economies of their host countries, and these must be acknowledged, he said

Meir Kahlon, chairman of the joint Associations of Jews from Arab Lands and Iran, noted that the world has long been talking about Arab refugees, but has ignored Jewish refugees from Arab lands. He also reminded those present that the Holocaust was not solely a European tragedy, but had spread to this part of the world. His mother had been killed in the Holocaust in Libya when he was only five months old.

Rivlin, who is a seventh generation Jerusalemite, does not know what it means to be expelled from one’s homeland, said Kahlon. Like Ohayon and Zeev, he questioned the lacuna in the Israeli curricula. As refugees, the Jews from Arab lands and Iran understand the plight of Palestinian refugees and will not allow their problems to be swept under the carpet said Kahlon, adding that the Palestinians must understand that this land also belongs to the Jews who yearned for it during centuries of exile. In this context, he quoted from Psalm 137: “By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept as we remembered Zion…”

He recommended that the compensation initiative for both sides proposed by former US President Bill Clinton be adopted and that a fund be set up to compensate and rehabilitate all the Palestinians living in refugee camps and all the Jews and their heirs who had been displaced from Arab lands and Iran. “We don’t seek war with anyone. We hold out our hand in peace,” he said.

Moderator Yossi Alfi, who is known for his marathon story telling festivals in which personalities from every immigrant group in Israel have the opportunity to share their stories with live audiences, radio listeners and television viewers, declared: “We are all excited today. It is indeed a holiday for us and others celebrating elsewhere. This day in Jerusalem is an important date in the story of the exodus of Jews from Arab Lands and Iran.”

Alfi, born in Basra Iraq, came to Israel in 1949 as a 3 year old refugee without his parents. Now, at age 69, he said he still feels the weight of what was left behind.

All the speakers expressed appreciation to Minister of Pensioners Affairs Uri Orbach whose Ministry took upon itself all the arrangements for the commemoration. Orbach was not present in protest at what he interpreted as the denial of freedom of speech to singer Amir Benayoun, who had initially been scheduled to sing at the event, but who had been dropped from the program due to a racist song that he had written and posted on his Facebook. Benayoun was replaced by Boaz Sharabi and Orbach was represented by his ministry’s director general Gilad Semama, who is the son of a Moroccan mother and a Tunisian father.

November 30 signifies not only the expulsion he said, but also the right to reparations. “It is also a day of love for Israel and for Zionism.”

Despite all that happened to them, these Jews who were expelled did not allow themselves to become dispirited, he said. “They did not forget where they came from, but they knew where they were going. Hardships not withstanding, they were able to maintain the heritage of a glorious past.”

Admitting that Jews from Arab lands and Iran had been subjected to a great injustice, and whose story had been pushed to the sidelines of the Zionist narrative, Rivlin commented that the designation of November 30 as a national day came too late and on too small a scale to impact on public consciousness, but declared that it was nevertheless important to correct this injustice “which should not be underestimated.”

The healing process, he said, begins with acknowledging the mistakes that were made, and for this reason he was proud as president of the state to host the inaugural November 30 commemoration. When his own ancestors came to the country from Lithuania in 1809, there were already immigrants from Yemen living here as well as Spanish families with ancient traditions. After the creation of the state when the refugees began arriving, their suffering was not taken into account and they were sent far away from the corridors of power to peripheral communities such as Dimona, Afikim, Beit She'an and Hatzor Haglilit where they developed cities out of nothing to be protective buffer zones for Israel’s borders, said Rivlin. It took a long time before these immigrants could give voice to their frustrations. Rivlin cited a list of writers and entertainment artists who paved the way for others to make their stories and their feelings known.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu issued a statement noting that November 30 was not a random date, but had been chosen for its historic significance.
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Re: Israels fake history..?

Postby emptycloud on Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:12 am

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Re: Israels fake history..?

Postby Bao on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:39 pm

Interloper wrote:Unfortunately, most are not aware of the history of the Jews and their eventual ethnic cleansing from the Middle East and North Africa during the Twentieth Century. While the Land of Israel was the birthplace of the Jewish People, for thousands of years Jews developed their unique and indigenous civilization around the Middle East. Jews and Jewish communities have existed in the Middle East, North Africa, Babylon, the Levant, the Arabian Peninsula and the Gulf region for millennia.

Well before the advent of Islam, the Arab conquest, colonization and occupation of the region, Jews lived and thrived in the Middle East.

However, during the centuries after the Islamic conquest in the Seventh Century, the region became forcibly ‘Arabized’, becoming known as the ‘Arab World’, and the original non-Arab peoples, including the Jews, became minorities in their own lands. Under Islamic rule, Jews, as well as Christians and other minorities, were considered dhimmi, second-class citizens, forced to pay special taxes and wear distinctive signs and articles of clothing and suffered other discriminatory decrees and legislation. The position of the Jews was frequently precarious.

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In 1948 close to a million Jews lived in Arab lands. Some were massacred in pogroms. Most fled or were expelled between 1948 and 1967. In 1948 there were 260,000 Jews in Morocco. Today there are less than 3,000. In the same time frame, the Jewish population of Algeria declined from 135,000 to zero, in Tunisia from 90,000 to a thousand, in Libya from 40,000 to zero, in Egypt from 75,000 to less than one hundred, in Iraq from 125,000 to zero, in Yemen from 45,000 to approximately 200, in Syria from 27,000 to 100, and in Lebanon from 10,000 in the 1950s to less than 100.


Yeah, the jews have had a hardship all right. And that is why they are entitled to take over the lands of Palestine and drive that people away. :P
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