Ed Ladnar wrote:What an awesome thread. I'd love to see more of these kinds of discussions. If we discussed more the actual experiences we are having with training, we might be able to develop a more accurate vocabulary to describe them. What do you think it means to open a kua over your back and close the other kua down with dantien? If we are to assume that there is a physical reality underlying these concepts, what does that look like? More importantly, what does that feel like?
Bodywork wrote:There is a massive tissue displacement that can take place from feet to head that supports the arms that can only reach its fullest capacity going through kua and having a joined rotational values with dantien, back and waist.
onebir wrote:Bodywork wrote:There is a massive tissue displacement that can take place from feet to head that supports the arms that can only reach its fullest capacity going through kua and having a joined rotational values with dantien, back and waist.
This sounds like Bolang jin - patiently described by D_Glenn in the later pages of the "Chan Si Jin" thread? (But there's also Fanlang Jin - at least...)
Bodywork wrote: There is so much more to even the simple kua movement in conjunction with bowing and coordination of upper and lower, as well as the both the definition and use of intent, than in what I wrote. Some of which stands in direct contradiction to what Devlin writes, other times they agree.
His terminology is different as well, but I pay attention more to what he is actually saying rather than what he says ...
onebir wrote:This makes me wonder: has there been a collective effort to catalogue the jins here (ideally with video examples)?
D_Glenn wrote:That would be an impossible task, and without being able to feel, first-hand, what a specific Jin does then the list would be useless in regards to teaching. The other thing is that most Jins are just biomechanical movements
jaime_g wrote:I cant see anything similar between Yin Bagua Bear and Dan's method
D_Glenn wrote:
Everything that is physically happening below your waist, has to be controlled by your Xindi (Ground Mind). Everyone's Ground Mind is pretty 'Ben' (Dumb). There are some natural-born athletes who's major source of their talent is because their Xindi is so adept, and then their 'Yi' (Wisdom mind) can solely focus on the skills required above the waist in the torso and arms.
But the rest of us have to live with a dumb Xindi, but fortunately the Chinese have kind of solved this problem, but that requires that a person follows the training rules of the martial art. One of the important ones is always practice both your hands and leg work at the same time. You can practice just your hands and upper body, but never practice just your legs or else you will be using 'Yi' and not your 'Xindi'.
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amor wrote:What about coordinating the feet and the kua specifically making sure you get the relevant number of points of the feet on the ground. Can you coordinate this without your yi. I find I have to make slight adjustments to the feet positions every time I move my kua as the pelvis moves. Moving the pelvis physically would just engage too much movement and then you would lose your alignments. Doesn't seem like you can not involve your yi for below waist movement even if its only minimal.
D_Glenn wrote:jaime_g wrote:I cant see anything similar between Yin Bagua Bear and Dan's method
more similar. Meaning more than anything else. And really only the usage of the Kua.
Externally, one might think that Dan's movements are more similar to our Lion, but I've only seen a video of Dan back around 2007ish, so I'm basing my statement off a memory of what I had observed then. So I'm not a reliable source and really, I have no idea what he's doing these days.
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