The trump follies

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Re: The trump follies

Postby windwalker on Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:36 pm

Afa the electoral college, complaints about it existed before this election. I'm just saying that the majority of Americans rejected Trump. Sorry if that bothers you. It won't change.


And he won, that won’t change…

232 Hillary Clinton ///// 306 Donald J. Trump


Maybe the majority the 47% need to understand the system a little better.

You didn't vote. You're no winner.


winner of what? was there a contest I didn't know about...did you win, are you the winner?
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Re: The trump follies

Postby Steve James on Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:12 pm

"Clinton: 65,844,610 (48.2%)
Trump: 62,979,636 (46.1%)
Others: 7,804,213 (5.7%)"


Means that 53% of the people who voted didn't vote for Trump: i.e., the majority of Americans didn't vote for him. Btw, only something like 50% of those eligible to vote actually voted. My opinion, is because they didn't like either choice. Or else, why didn't they vote?

According to a new Gallup poll, 55 percent of Americans have a negative view of Trump, making him the only president-elect of the four most recent presidents-elect whose unfavorable rating outweighs his favorable score.


This seems about right given the election numbers. (Note: Not saying he didn't win the electoral vote. But, obviously, the electoral vote does not equate to the popular vote or the popularity of the electee. Ok, it's the system; but, "free thinkers" don't just accept "the system." Besides, the disjoint between the electoral and popular vote (which has only happened 4 times in history) is something that people can address, and not simply be told "get over it".

Mind you, we did quite well getting over it when George Bush was handed the presidency by the Supreme Court after losing the popular vote, too. That didn't happen with Obama. Willie will tell you; Sheriff Joe has proof that Obama wasn't a legitimate American. The people who voted may have voted for change; but, nationally, Obama today is more popular than Trump. So, in a way, no doubt we'll get over Trump too.

Regardless, I think the worse thing that can happen is if the 4 million people who voted think that their votes don't count because of the way the system is set up. It's a question whether that will encourage or discourage them to vote next time. The best result would be to have a system where everyone's vote was equal in a national election.
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Re: The trump follies

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:20 pm

and you keep using talking points. ;)

I do read a couple of different news groups,[sic] and then balance what they say against each other.
I find the main stream [sic] to be very biased in their reporting. Maybe because you've already made up your mind about the other sources
your [sic] not as open as you'd like to think...

yep [sic] you should keep talking about projection,,,, [sic] instead of policies.
It's a little easier attacking the person instead of the ideas presented.


as far as the "echo" chamber

do you think your self [sic] and some of the others here aren't in an echo chamber,
really? ;)


Talking points? I am suggesting (above) that you look at the actual numbers to decide if "it didn't work." That has nothing to do with talking points and is about as objective as we can get.

And I do talk about policies, it's your guy who doesn't and seemingly can't. Reading a transcript of any of his speeches is worse than making heads or tails of what some of his supporters are trying to say. Of course, I also think we should talk about his glaring flaws as well. They are ample.

I don't know why you like to say I am in the echo chamber all the time. I debate with people I know who have other ideas, I have mentioned that I watch FOX news and read conservative papers. However, as I have also stated before, I don't draw my political or social opinions from pundits, which is exactly what you do. All of your sources you post here to back up your arguments are pundits, hatchet jobs, or overtly racist Alt-Right polemists (okay, I guess those are pundits of a sort, too).
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Re: The trump follies

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:30 pm

Is Steve Bannon racist?

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2 ... s-find-out

Why there is a problem with Breitbart and Bannon.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ellenkillor ... dfe8ab504f
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Re: The trump follies

Postby grzegorz on Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:59 pm

Before presidential run, Trump called Russia the 'biggest problem' and geopolitical foe of U.S.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/16/politics/ ... index.html
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Re: The trump follies

Postby willie on Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:07 pm

Here's the ONLY truth. You guys need to get your head out of your ass.
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Re: The trump follies

Postby willie on Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:13 pm

Truth!
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Re: The trump follies

Postby grzegorz on Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:50 pm

Is that from the electorial college online course? Or Trump university 2.0?
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Re: The trump follies

Postby grzegorz on Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:51 am

I hear the president elect cancelled his trip to the African-American museum (on MLK day) after attacking John Lewis.

What a thin skinned putz!

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Re: The trump follies

Postby grzegorz on Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:56 am

grzegorz wrote:The no public option is why things are so expensive.

In the article I posted a Pence as president is the writer's worst fear


Personally though I would still take Pence representing my country than Putin's puppet.

Attacking NATO, Mirkel, the EU and lifting all sanctions if the Russia agrees to reduce their stockpile?

This from a man who said Russia was the US's biggest threat just two years ago?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liKhLNY5GYI

At least Pence actually attends security and intelligence briefings.
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Re: The trump follies

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:31 am

willie wrote:Here's the ONLY truth. You guys need to get your head out of your ass.


Really? I can't be sure if you are only a complete ignoramus, or also a full blown hypocrite. This video opens with a perfect description of what the Republicans and Trump have been doing for 8 years. Trump continued to question Obama's legitimacy until mid-campaign. Some idiots still do (ahem).

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Re: The trump follies

Postby Michael on Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:37 am

Don't you remember? Trump said it was actually Hillary behind the birthers.
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Re: The trump follies

Postby grzegorz on Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:37 am

I just want to know why the hell i got a viagra add when i clicked that video.
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Re: The trump follies

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:41 am

Michael wrote:Don't you remember? Trump said it was actually Hillary behind the birthers.



Oh, I forgot. ;D
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Re: The trump follies

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:43 am

grzegorz wrote:I just want to know why the hell i got a viagra add when i clicked that video.


Because the average age of FOX prime time viewers is 68.
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