Right hand white tiger (lungs) left hand green dragon liver

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Everyone has qi, so n/um, kundalini, whatever name may exist, makes sense.

Personally I'm not so interested in "kundalini awakening", yoga, spiritual teachings, trance, Taoism, Carlos Castaneda, LSD, psilocybin, etc., except for from a vague intellectual distance, or as sort of a recreational entertainment like the test no topic thread. I can see why other people might be interested in these topics.

For me, and I'd argue for everyone here and everywhere, health must come first (otherwise "spiritual" or "martial" or "material" doesn't exist/matter) and a lot of the above (based on many tales not less crazy than yours, void) seems rather unhealthy to me.

Connecting that viewpoint to all the cultural topics, it seems like "sinking to dantian", micro and macrocosmic orbit, meridian theory, acupuncture are specific to TCM and Taoist internal energy work, and by extension, some tiny subset of Chinese IMA work (no one really pays any attention to Taiji classics and "sink qi to dantian" instructions). For these reasons, I'm more interested in "Taoist" arts and Taoist IMA.

[voidisyinyang]

Everyone has qi, so n/um, kundalini, whatever name may exist, makes sense.

Personally I'm not so interested in "kundalini awakening", yoga, spiritual teachings, trance, Taoism, Carlos Castaneda, LSD, psilocybin, etc., except for from a vague intellectual distance, or as sort of a recreational entertainment like the test no topic thread. I can see why other people might be interested in these topics.

For me, and I'd argue for everyone here and everywhere, health must come first (otherwise "spiritual" or "martial" or "material" doesn't exist/matter) and a lot of the above (based on many tales not less crazy than yours, void) seems rather unhealthy to me.

Connecting that viewpoint to all the cultural topics, it seems like "sinking to dantian", micro and macrocosmic orbit, meridian theory, acupuncture are specific to TCM and Taoist internal energy work, and by extension, some tiny subset of Chinese IMA work (no one really pays any attention to Taiji classics and "sink qi to dantian" instructions). For these reasons, I'm more interested in "Taoist" arts and Taoist IMA.

Carlos Castaneda was a fake patriarchy sex slave cult and he plagiarized from a German who himself plagiarized.
You asked about anger - I forgot to mention - Master Nan, Huai-chin says how "righteous anger" is too common from meditation and so he says it's better to just not meditate in modern times since the energy is so bad right now.
So to "sink qi to dan tien" - actually that is the small universe meditation or microcosmic orbit - because first it goes up via the sympathetic nervous system and then goes back down via the vagus nerve.

You can feel this - then as a deeper right side vagus nerve to the right side of the brain - and so the white tiger of the lung returns to the heart - and so the yang combines with yin - and returns to the small intestines via the stomach.

So this is why the "real" dan tien is actually directly behind the navel while the false lower tan t'ien is below the navel - as the prostate "ocean of yin qi" area.

So yes the trance dancing was based on complementary opposites - male and female energy - just as is the secret of the T'ai Chi and also the "three gunas" of India.

So we if obsess on our personal health - again as I have pointed out - if we can heal another person but it damages our own health - would we do so? This is also what the San Bushmen did - they sucked in the sickness but then after they healed the person - they sent the sickness back to the Emptiness or what they called the cosmic Ostrich Egg.

So for example qigong master Yan Xin warned a friend of his who hung out with him - that he would end up catching the illnesses of the people that Yan Xin healed. The "ancestral cavity" is the pineal gland but the Mysterious gate is means non-local Yuan Qi reality - the N/om is non-local and impersonal energy that flows eternally. So if you can sense someone else's illness - this is sensed holographically in your own organs! So there is no longer a separation of your health and someone else's illness.

For example qigong master Chunyi Lin did a research study where he was supposed to "fake" heal people - but the problem is that when he detected or read a person's energy blockages - he could not pretend not to heal the person - because to detect their blockages he HAD to heal the person, in order to heal his own DETECTION of their blockage! Does that make sense? So the study did not work - because qigong can not have a "double blind" standard since there is no "boundary condition" for a repeatable off-the-shelf technology. There is a different definition of infinity that is nonwestern - time can not be "contained" as geometry that is a closed off spatial infinity measured by light.

Rather we are light as spirits but when we close our eyes and turn the light around to the third eye and heart - and small intestines - the three "brains" - or energy centers - this causes the unified energy to interact with its source - the relativistic mass of light that is superluminal force from the future. So in other words - to detect someone else's blockage means it is already being healed from the future by the Emptiness that allowed us to detect it in the first place.

Our brain's detection as health is actually the subjective past while the future secretly guides us - so our supposed perception of external reality is actually a projection of an internal 5th dimension that is the future as pure superluminal energy contained within the light. And so left brain dominance is the past, as time, while right brain dominance is frequency dominance that can go into the future via the pineal gland.

So things like psychedelic drugs or shrooms or DMT-based plant-roots - these are studied in quantum biology as tied to the same mechanisms. The San Bushmen did use psychedelic plant roots but only as a "taste" of the activation - considered to be FAKE N/om. So with an external electrochemical source - this will convert the neurohormones into serotonin very quickly and activate the kundalini - but it lacks the qi energy that emanates out of the pineal gland. So instead you go from the jing straight to the shen astral realm that is holographic and the plant usually just activates the subconscious visions. So a person ends up directly interacting with their subconscious - and usually just gets confused by it or has hallucinations, etc. So it is only through a specific traditional meditation training - in the Amazon the DMT-based psychedelic training also requires celibacy and so isolation from females - in the jungle - along with a special diet of strong serotonin food like fish and bananas but no salt, no sugar and no spices.

So in the end - that traditional shamanic training still relies on the similar training as to what is done in West Africa in the sacred forest groves of Senegal for example - it is like the Daoist gong with 3 months of the males isolated, doing meditation, in the sacred forest, away from the females.

And so the health - it is relative - and a healer is constantly then leaching out toxins due to modern society being totally unhealthy.

Sugar is a drug as is salt - but how can someone eat modern food with out sugar or salt? It is next to impossible. You can get sodium from vegetables and no need for refined sugar. But salt and sugar activate inflammation as the sympathetic nervous system. And so strict training for advanced level is very rare because you need celibacy but also a pure diet - and so at Shaolin even the advanced training is not found very often.

The cave meditation as fasting - this is the real advanced training - no food and no sleep for 49 days while in full lotus the whole time.

AS Wang Liping says - only full lotus yoga position can deeply open the lower back nerve blockages - to really get a deep yang qi (kundalini) activation. And so Wang Liping says it takes 6 hours of full lotus meditation a day - every day without missing a day - for one year - for a middle aged person to restore their Yuan JIng.

So even within Daoism there are different variations - to activate the Yuan Qi is considered the "first half" of the training - as the T'ai Chi that is experienced. In Buddhism this is called "Achievement of Cessation" as the first level of samadhi as a week long fast. I was told in a Burmese monastery that fasting was not real Buddhism and then my friend who ran the monastery told me to read the books he had there. So I read the books - and I discovered that contrary to his claim - the first level of samadhi was from a week of fasting. haha. Also he said that full lotus was not real buddhism - since his monk practiced Burmese position. But his monk was secretly a fake monk - a perv predator who rubbed up against me - to suck off my energy - and so I left that place in the middle of the night, in the cold rain, on my old three speed bicycle. I dumpster dived some food and then took shelter in a construction outhouse - and lit up some toilet paper to create some heat due to my cold wet condition. Then I meditated and continued on and I biked 200 miles on that old three speed - dumpster diving food and sleeping outside till I got to the Cambodian monastery. It was being "expanded" as a kind of Americanized Disney-land for the Cambodian refugees. There was one monk there - but he was more like a construction manager in monk robes. He wondered why I smelled like garlic so bad but obviously he could not say that. As I waited and he wondered what to do with me - the phone rang and it was my Burmese friend who ran the other monastery - wondering what had happened to me. somehow he had tracked me down. haha. It was not my phone - it was the Cambodian monastery phone he called. haha. Now my Burmese friend bought farm land and expanded his monastery just to the north of me but as I said - I know he had a fake monk there. I would never tell him that and also he got sucked into the whole anti-muslim genocidal crackdown which is really the Burmese trying to be like their British genocidal colonialist rulers of the past - before the Japanese has taken over as well.

So the nonwestern shamanic condition that is from the San Bushmen and spread around the world - yes Daoism is probably the best "science" that was created of this tradition. But to consider Daoism to be real - to be objectively capable in terms of anyone doing the training - is to realize that it is a universal psychophysiological potential of all humans. And in fact this potential was required by all people in the original human culture - only it did not have the fighting aspect - unless you consider the fighting in terms of a spiritual battle. The San bushmen realized that sickness originates from - as qigong master Chunyi Lin says - from yin qi blockages of the yin shen or as the SAn Bushmen say - from ghosts. Daoist Ni, Huai-ching calls it "ghost pollution" and it is very real. In fact we can argue that modern civilization is actually just a grand case of ghost pollution.

For example chunyi shared how he went to teach qigong to old people in this city south of the Twin Cities - Minnesota - and he saw this huge ghosts - big warrior males. He did not dare say anything about what he saw as he taught the qigong class to the old people - he did not want to disturb these huge ghost warriors. Afterwards he asked his friend what had happened here - and the European male said - this was the site of the largest mass hanging in US history - I think it was 38 Dakota warriors were hung there. So Chunyi said those ghosts were there as protection of what had happened and so he had to be very respectful while he taught the qigong class.

So for us - this sounds like total poppycock - why should we be afraid or feel the need to respect what ghosts think? haha. But we forget that quantum energy is based on frequency and ghosts are coherent biophoton light frequency energy and are activated by relativistic mass - that is energy from the future and the past. We experience the past as light and think it is the present but actually there is virtual photons from the future that create the present as a charge - the qi energy - the Yuan Qi or yin qi without substance - and so even the future is a type of ghost holographic dream state. We can have visions of the future that are MORE REAL than being awake. So then what is "health" but actually the Yuan Qi itself that is constantly transforming as the Void or the Emptiness - the Yang Shen or physical body is a type of ghost that has transformed from the future into yin jing - or yuan jing - as a new body - and so we experience light as the past or the future - but like a black hole - when we go into it the light gets so bright that time slows down to zero and there is a shift of time into the future as the 5th dimension - it is quantum entanglement as eternal present yet it is not "us" - it is impersonal and can not be seen at all - only logically perceived or LISTENED TO.

That is the internal listening focus secret of the T'ai Chi practice or standing active exercise. For the San Bushmen this means the hardest skill is to maintain a literal laser focus going out the eyes with the eyes open - while standing up and doing healing - and so clearing out ghost blockages - sending the light back to the Yuan Qi source of the N/om.

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he could not pretend not to heal the person - because to detect their blockages he HAD to heal the person, in order to heal his own DETECTION of their blockage!

if, in order to heal, you have to do this, it does not sound - convenient - to me. let's say for the sake of argument that I can't understand spacetime or anthropology or ghosts (probably all true). let's just say (even though this is the BTDT section) that we are on an IMA oriented board, and I'm interested only in push hands (not totally true but a reasonable assumption for these forums). let's also say I never want to see ghosts or understand qubits or make cultural connections. I'm not asking you to stop writing about anything you want to write about, but if I'm only interested in push hands, what does right hand white tiger, left hand green dragon liver mean to you for that narrow topic? Why do I want to have left hand low, right hand high? Why do I want to stand in santishi with right hand high and facing left foot?

[Dmitri]

But there is evidence of homo sapiens that is 300,000 years old. That "humans left Africa" at least 100,000 years ago.

I was not questioning the age of humanity or whether we "came from Africa". I'm questioning the validity of this particular claim:

So humans for 90% of our biological history - before 10,000 BCE - we lived from the San Bushmen culture of no war, no rape, no homosexuality, no masturbation and all the males training in trance dancing and fasting based on complementary opposites.

What is the evidence that (early) humans lived in the same culture as the San Bushmen ("of no war, no rape," etc.) for the tens of thousands of years prior to 10,000 BCE? Did someone find a way to determine the sexual orientation of the owner of a few bones carbon-dated to 50000 years ago, or whether they raped anyone, or masturbated?

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What is the evidence that (early) humans lived in the same culture as the San Bushmen ("of no war, no rape," etc.) for the tens of thousands of years prior to 10,000 BCE? Did someone find a way to determine the sexual orientation of the owner of a few bones carbon-dated to 50000 years ago, or whether they raped anyone, or masturbated?

That snake-rock worshipping that went on there prior 10,000 BCE tells about their sex obsession

[voidisyinyang]

What is the evidence that (early) humans lived in the same culture as the San Bushmen ("of no war, no rape," etc.) for the tens of thousands of years prior to 10,000 BCE? Did someone find a way to determine the sexual orientation of the owner of a few bones carbon-dated to 50000 years ago, or whether they raped anyone, or masturbated?

That snake-rock worshipping that went on there prior 10,000 BCE tells about their sex obsession

Dr. Bradford Keeney calls it "impersonal eroticism" - so it's more like sensuality - when we say "sex" in the West we assume that means ejaculation. The San Bushmen had all the males train in permanent psychophysiological transformation - to have spiritual healing - the Lower Tan T'ien has to be built up first by visualizing fire at the base of the spine - just as kundalini literally means fire in the earth (sacrum).

So we want to call it "culture" but rather the complementary opposites - as the females sleeping on the left side of the fire and the males on the right - this extends to everything in reality just as with yin and yang - and so all the males had to train in "staying power" through trance dancing based on the females singing.

So the music, as I quoted, is older than any language separation - so the Eland Bull dance spiritual training of the females at first menstruation - this goes back to 70,000 years ago - this is the N/om energy - the female at first menstruation is identified with the male Eland Bull since the male bull has the most fat around the heart - and the fat is the source of the N/om, just as the fat is the source of the jing - the cholesterol turning into the neurohormones.

So - Dr. Bradford Keeney has a good pdf on this - the Eland Bull dance ritual with the music as the same in the tribes with different dialects - that means this same spiritual "culture" is from before human language separated - and you pair that up with the snake N/om statute at the Male and Female Hills - dated back to 70,000 BCE - so yes this training is that old.

So it is not just going back to the origin of modern biological history - as those older archaeological remains that left AFrica - did not survive or returned to AFrica. It was the migration of the San Bushmen that spread around the world - around the time of the Mt. Toba supervolcano explosion - but this Eland Bull dance ritual is actually the psychophysiological activation of the First Creation - that's why it's called a rainbow snake as the dream time for the Australian Aborigines - it is from the SAn Bushmen culture.

Re-entry into First Creation: A contextual frame for the Ju/'hoan Bushman
Reentry into First Creation | Journal of Anthropological Research: Vol ...
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/a ... 4.0069.104
by B Keeney - ‎2013 - ‎Cited by 13 - ‎Related articles
Bradford Keeney, ... Hillary Keeney, ... The Ju/'hoan Bushman origin myth is depicted as providing a contextual ... The latter is regarded as Second Creation.

So this ritual, again, is the Eland Bull ritual with the same music in different tribes in different dialects of the San Bushmen - which means these tribes separated genetically before the dialects separated and yet the music was the same from the original tribe - with the same ritual dance meaning.

The Ju/’hoan Bushman origin myth is depicted as providing a contextual frame that orchestrates and gives meaning to their puberty rites, storytelling, and healing dance. These performances are shown to be an enactment of a reentry from Second into First Creation, the latter an imagined time when the original people could change into animals, communicate with all living forms, and have eternal life without sickness. Here n/om, or the presumed vitality of life, change, and creation, is infused into the community. Empowerment of adolescent passage into adulthood, renewal of mythological potency, enhancement of community relations, and healing of sickness take place inside the performances that dramatize reentry into First Creation. Bushman religion and ceremonial life are shown to highlight the importance of experiences that enact the way changing forms are given primacy over any subsequent naming or indication that stills movement. The latter is regarded as Second Creation. This recurrent passage between First and Second Creation sets the stage for Bushman transformative experience.

https://nsuworks.nova.edu/tqr/vol18/iss5/1/

N/om, Change, and Social Work: A Recursive Frame Analysis of the Transformative Rituals of the Ju/’hoan Bushmen

So the pdf link is

https://nsuworks.nova.edu/cgi/viewconte ... ontext=tqr

So Dr. Bradford Keeney is the only person outside the San Bushmen to be recognized as a master healer within the San Bushmen community. He was a psychology professor but his grandfather was a minister and Keeney had this spiritual kundalini awakening when he was late in high school - and so he traveled around the world studying shamanism and then now he is focused on the San Bushmen healing.

So they describe how for the male - he bleeds to be like the female at first menstruation since she has the strongest N/om. So just as females are yang internally for Daoist alchemy - the male trains also also be yang internally like a female having her pineal gland synchronized with the lunar energy.

So this is a permanent psychophysiological transformation due to deep right side vagus nerve activation - and the N/om energy has to be transferred into the young male - by the older males or female healers.

That pdf says - the intestine is considered the body part to have the most N/om - this is precisely the same as the small intestine storing the energy of the lower tan t'ien in Daoist alchemy, as I cite in my Idiot's Guide pdf.

So the pdf says - how when a healer is full of Nom then he can no longer speech and so has to sing. The healing songs have meaningless words - the point being that this energy is from before human language developed.

So the whole culture is a psycho-physiological transformation based on the males training in "staying power" due to the sacred female N/om energy - and based on the females singing and dancing - from before their human language ever developed different dialects. The sacred N/om snake energy is therefore the core of their culture - and is indeed ancient.

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When we close our eyes and rotate them - we should be able to feel qi circulating in the lower tan t'ien, via the pineal gland connection to the perineum.

Is there some kind of related practical advice coming from this observation?

[Trick]

Dr. Bradford Keeney Does not know anything about what went on around that "snake-rock" and he knows nothing about some "bull-dancing" some 70,000 years ago, it's bull crap

[Trick]

When we close our eyes and rotate them - we should be able to feel qi circulating in the lower tan t'ien, via the pineal gland connection to the perineum.

Is there some kind of related practical advice coming from this observation?

He does not have any real practical use for all this, he's just in to it as some sort of Qi masturbation

[voidisyinyang]

When we close our eyes and rotate them - we should be able to feel qi circulating in the lower tan t'ien, via the pineal gland connection to the perineum.

Is there some kind of related practical advice coming from this observation?

https://archive.org/stream/TaoistYogaAl ... 9_djvu.txt
you can word search the book Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality - that will answer any questions you have.

By way of illustration, when my immortal inhalation
reaches my two heels it has actually gone from the original
cavity of spirit (tsu ch’iao between and behind the eyes)
to the medulla oblongata 2 which is linked with the two
psychic channels starting from the heels.

and

‘Now place the right palm on the left pressing the right
middle fingertip on the dragon cavity (in the left palm) and
the left middle fingertip on the tiger cavity (in the right
palm) thus blocking both cavities. Draw in the genital
organ, shut the mouth, touch the palate with the tongue,
breathe in through the nostrils while rising the eyes from
the left to look up, and then breathe out while lowering
the eyes to look down. This is turning the eyes to drive the
(vital) breath up and down in the nostrils.

and

‘Repeat the same exercise for a second, third and fourth
time to complete thirty-six turns of the eyes in order to
block the channel of the generative and vital forces (at the
mortal gate at the base of the penis). After so preventing
nocturnal emission, practise the microcosmic orbiting to

and

If however
vitality is being lost the practiser should block the dragon
and tiger centres (in the palms) as already explained, raise
the tongue to the palate to link it with the channel of con¬
trol, drive the (vital) breath in and out while rolling the
eyes to push vitality up the backbone and down the front
part of the body.

and

Drive to the head vitality vibrating

And roll your eyes to control (vital) breathing

To cultivate the immortal seed by day

And night so that it rays out light from within the

brain.

and

The heart is the seat of (essential) nature which manifests
through the eyes while the lower abdomen is the seat of
life which manifests through the genital organ.

and

You
should realise that, since the heart is linked with the two
eyes, this exercise in four phases of nine complete turns each
causes vitality in the heart to restrain vitality in the tiger
cavity while you look up to turn the eyes, and to shut the
genital duct while you look up to lift the vital breath. If
so how can the positive principle drain away?

and

There is a method of knowing whether the immortal
seed is mature or not which consists of placing an oil lamp
in front of the practiser whose eyes should gaze at its flame
while rolling them from left to right nine times, after which
he closes them. If a great moonlight appears between the
eyes, as bright as the glare of lightning which neither in¬
creases nor contracts, the immortal seed is mature.

and

It should not
be practised frequently in order to avoid dizziness and
waste of vitality that radiates, for the aim of the practice
is to realise this prenatal vitality and also the manifestation
of this light which is spirit that lies between (and behind) the
two eyes.

and

‘The method of
producing the immortal seed consists of “uniting” the heart
with the eyes for pointed concentration on the lower ab¬
domen so that if vibration is felt there, vitality can be
immediately circulated (in the microcosmic orbit) for
purification, but the slightest carelessness on the part of the
practiser can cause it to drain away thereby nullifying
all previous progress.

and

Both heart (house of fire) and breath should
be frozen in the lower tan t’ien; although the (vital) breath
may leave it occasionally, the heart should never stray from
it. The heart and the pupils of the eyes should always con¬
centrate on that centre until the postnatal (vital) breaths
return and stay there to sustain prenatal vitality which will
nurture and develop the seed that causes the light of the
elixir to manifest. The latter is like a ball of fire, the size of a
bullet, in the lower tan t’ien centre which will become hot

and

When the latter is fully developed the practiser
should turn back his eyes to concentrate on and look into
the lower tan t’ien centre (under the navel) so that the ele¬
ment of fire in the eyes which are above scorches that of
water in the belly which is below, to produce positive vitality
whose light manifests in front of him.

and

The light of the eyes directed downward is positive and when the
positive and negative lights meet, a precious light (pao
kuang) will emerge.

This is like an electric current which, when the positive
and negative poles are joined, gives a bright light, unless
the power supply is deficient.

and

concentrate his eyes on its flame, rolling them from left to right
nine times to vibrate the (positive) vitality in that centre
(between and behind the eyes) so that it drops to the
cavity of (eternal) life (under the navel) already full of
(negative) vitality so that both vitalities unite to thrust open
the original cavity of spirit (tsu ch’iao in the centre of the
brain).

and

Each turn of the eyes causes vitality in the cavity
of life to soar up, spreading to the mouth, eyes, ears and
nostrils which are the seven openings by which vitality
scatters away. Of the seven, the heavenly pool cavity
(t’ien ch’ih) above the mouth is the opening by which the
greatest quantity of vitality drains away. This is why the
loss of vitality due to excessive speaking and singing is
comparatively greater than in other activities.

and

The golden light in the eyes reveals the light of (essential)
nature which illumines the lower tan t’ien (under the
navel), and will in time become golden to show the fullness
of the luminous generative force, vitality and spirit.

and

Since
the practiser now feels that negative breaths are strong
whereas positive ones are still weak, he should now roll
his eyes to let in the latter while driving away the former
in order to remove all obstructions which will then vanish.
Such obstructions are caused by perverse thoughts rising
in the heart (mind) which change positive into negative
(vital) breaths and prevent the three positive lights from
manifesting and the macrocosmic alchemical agent from
developing.

and

.....

[Dmitri]

[voidisyinyang]

-lol-

The Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality book has secrets to it that are not fully explained. http://qianfengdaoismuk.weebly.com/how- ... anual.html

It's based on the 1615 book, ‘Principles of Inner Essence and Longevity’

And so in order to properly understand the Dragon and the Tiger in terms of the Lower Tan T'ien alchemy - we need to study the 1615 book.

http://elixirfield.blogspot.com/2018/05 ... heart.html

I just posted this summary of excerpts that reveals a deep secret to the alchemy training.

Otherwise if we just rely on Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality it's next to impossible to understand the alchemical paradoxes of yang within yin and vice versa.

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Thanks for the summary. What you say is still too complicated for me, but will try to read your posts and links.

[wiesiek]

SO,
for example ,
I practice similar >eyes routine< as a part of my morning awakening ,
but
no hokuspokus part.
Some Twisted on >religious path< not only Taoist, tends to build to much ritual for every burp in the life.
Its builds false impression of knowin` some kind of mystery,
good if doesn`t drive to misery
that`s all
happy training everyone

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I too roll my eyes on a daily basis but with open lids, slowly and try to focus on what I see during the rolling. I believe it's a good exercise for the eyes/eyesight and it also clear the sinuses,I believe because the muscles of that area are extra activated during the rolling........When I first moved to China I rented a room in a family's home, I often ate dinner with them, whenever we had fish(often) the man in the household wanted to share the eyes of the fish with me he claimed eating fish eyes where very good for the eyesight, he had very thick glasses