Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:Dmitri wrote:Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:"Both sides..."
I wrote "all sides" to stress that the apparent division of everyone into (only) two giant camps is what's responsible for a lot of the mess and what needs to stop. It's not two giant buckets with a binary "either you're in this one, or you're in the other one" presumption. Nobody is squarely, 100% on "one side" of anything, because those sides/camps/buckets/labels/etc. are illusory artifacts of humans' tendency to gather in groups and judge "the others".
The world is gray, with shades and hues, and even those are in a neverending state of flux and transition...
You both missed and made my point, and typing out truisms can't change that.
GrahamB wrote:...what is your point in posting this?
Steve James wrote:Well, this thread is irrelevant.
Steve James wrote:I don't see pro-vaxxers attacking parents or health care workers. I don't see them promoting conspiracy theories about 5G, Gates, researchers, etc.
More than 900 pages of materials related to US.-funded coronavirus research in China were released following a FOIA lawsuit by The Intercept.
Sharon Lerner, Mara Hvistendahl
Newly released documents provide details of U.S.-funded research on several types of coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China. The Intercept has obtained more than nine hundred pages of documents detailing the work of the EcoHealth Alliance, a U.S.-based health organization that used federal money to fund bat coronavirus research at the Chinese laboratory. The trove of documents includes two previously unpublished grant proposals that were funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, as well as project updates relating to the EcoHealth Alliance’s research, which has been scrutinized amid increased interest in the origins of the pandemic.
The documents were released in connection with ongoing Freedom of Information Act litigation by The Intercept against the National Institutes of Health. The Intercept is making the full documents available to the public.
“This is a roadmap to the high-risk research that could have led to the current pandemic,” said Gary Ruskin, executive director of U.S. Right To Know, a group that has been investigating the origins of Covid-19.
Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:It's obvious why vaccine skeptics and anti-maskers would want to refocus everything on ivermectin. Don't fall for it. It's not important unless it turns out that it can be an effective treatment without being more harmful than it is helpful. That looks increasingly unlikely. I'm sure it will be something else next month.
Meanwhile, deaths are way up in all the states run and populated by vaccine skeptics and anti-maskers. Imagine that...
The point being, ...it's complicated, and every time someone paints with a too-wide a brush and says "the left", or "the right", or "them" -- they are contributing to the mess we're in.
Steve James wrote:The point being, ...it's complicated, and every time someone paints with a too-wide a brush and says "the left", or "the right", or "them" -- they are contributing to the mess we're in.
I agree with that. I don't use those terms. As I said, conceiving them as sides is the problem, particularly when reduced to names. However, when it comes to a specific issue, there is a choice. I don't make choices because of the side I'm on. It's just a matter of what I consider right or wrong. I consider feeding, clothing, sheltering and providing health care for ever homeless veteran would be right; so, what side does that make me on? Does that make me liberal, socialist, or Christian? If people hold certain positions and consider themselves on the right or left, conservative or progressive, it doesn't matter. It comes down to what they do.
Rutgers University has banned a student from attending virtual classes because they are unvaccinated.
Logan Hollar, 22, is taking online classes over 70 miles away from the New Brunswick campus, but the university claims that the vaccine mandate still applies to him.
I’m not in an at-risk age group. I’m healthy and I work out. I don’t find COVID to be scary,” Hollar told NJ.com. “If someone wants to be vaccinated, that’s fine with me, but I don’t think they should be pushed.”
Rutgers was the first university to mandate vaccines for all students last Spring, but originally did not require them for students who were learning remotely.
GrahamB wrote:Well done Dmitri, you've pointed out that everybody on social media (on both sides!) is nuts, apart from you of course.
Now, what will you do with you new found powers of omnipotence? I hope you use them for good, not evil. Or will you just turn into the next Watcher....
At least in China, The government is very clear in exercise of its control directly, not allowing or counting on private enterprise or industry to do it for them.
Dmitri wrote:GrahamB wrote:Well done Dmitri, you've pointed out that everybody on social media (on both sides!) is nuts, apart from you of course.
Now, what will you do with you new found powers of omnipotence? I hope you use them for good, not evil. Or will you just turn into the next Watcher....
The "apart from you" is a completely unsubstantiated assumption, and it is wrong. I'm very well aware I'm part of it. Are you?
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