Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

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New England Journal of Medicine on the leadership failures
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2029812

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why are us cases rising? https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54423928

[Steve James]

why are us cases rising?

They're rising pretty much everywhere (even Sweden) because the virus is spreading ((:). It's rising in places that were hit hard earlier. I mean countries and states that locked down then reopened are having to lock down again. It could be because the virus has mutated.

[Trick]

Here in “my” city Autumn really came along now during the ‘mid autumn festival’ it’s long pants and jacket on from now..many of my wife’s students has got a cold but nothing bad, they still getting around as usual and as I’ve seen hospitals her are at their usual pace....still haven’t seen the first wave yet, hope it stays away

[Steve James]

Hey, when Darwin wrote about the survival of the fittest, he didn't mean the strongest or most intelligent. The fittest were those who were able to adapt and not die. Humans have the advantage of being able to change. If you haven't gotten the virus or covid19 yet, there's no certainty that you won't. What are the people in your city doing. That's what 'll have an effect, and should determine your behavior.

Hey, Putin says they have a vaccine (Sputnik) that he's ready to distribute worldwide. Yet, the Donald got Regeneron, and is saying that he's going to make it free for everyone. Yay. Well, it is made from harvested embryos. Does anyone know how many embryos it takes?

Still, if fewer people contract the virus, far less Regeneron will be needed. Anyway, I'm sure that the stocks of the pharma companies that produce these drugs are going up after the presidential plug. It's a good thing he followed his doctors at WR, and didn't do what he'd advised publicly earlier. Ok, there will still be some hcq promoters like that Nigerian doctor (remember her)? We can at least agree it wasn't the treatment he got. We should take his advice, though, and trust the doctors treating patients.

[Trick]

. Hey, when Darwin wrote about the survival of the fittest, he didn't mean the strongest or most intelligent. The fittest were those who were able to adapt and not die.

but that do mean strongest or/and most Intelogent.....but not necessarily strongest in brute muscle strength or highest IO alone

. If you haven't gotten the virus or covid19 yet, there's no certainty that you won't. What are the people in your city doing. That's what 'll have an effect, and should determine your behavior.

maybe the whole city got it already, I don’t know people moving about including me as usual, have been so for a while now..I do know hospitals here has not been busier than usual despite the global pandemic...hope it will continue to be as usual or even better

[Steve James]

Nope about Darwin.

[bailewen]

yeah. no.

"fit" in the sense that Darwin used it has nothing at all to do with "physical fitness". More like, "these clothes fit well".

The most famous example from his own writings was probably his observation about the size of bird beaks on different islands. There was absolutely no argument that bigger OR smaller beaks were better. It depended on the types of nuts on a given island. The beaks that were more "fit" to the sizes and shapes of the local nuts were the ones favored by natural selection.

Natural selection could, depending on the environment, select specifically for physically weaker people. From my personal observation, native peoples in mountainous terrain tend to be really short and people from the plains tend to be tall. What is more "fit"? Short or tall?

[windwalker]

Hey, Putin says they have a vaccine (Sputnik) that he's ready to distribute worldwide. Yet, the Donald got Regeneron, and is saying that he's going to make it free for everyone. Yay. Well, it is made from harvested embryos. Does anyone know how many embryos it takes?

None

[Steve James]

Even with treatment, some people will get sick and die from the coronavirus, no matter how intelligent or strong they are.
One solution would be to infect mostly everyone with a mild case of the virus first.

[Trick]

Nope about Darwin.

yes, i actually dont know darwin and everything he said and wrote, and hes dead and gone for quite long, his ideas might not be up to date too ?..so ill do my own interpretation of whats strength especially when it comes to virus threats ....

[meeks]

Even with treatment, some people will get sick and die from the coronavirus, no matter how intelligent or strong they are.
One solution would be to infect mostly everyone with a mild case of the virus first.

I agree. weed out the weak ones that can't survive a mild case. the human race doesn't need that weak strain of human genome. a good way to ensure surviving a deadly virus is to let it kill those that can't survive. and then, 2-3 months later, those that survived, their natural antibodies will have diminished, so we'll have to continue to re-infect them.



point is, we have no idea who is susceptible to it as far as being able to recover from it

[windwalker]

Nope about Darwin.

yes, i actually dont know darwin and everything he said and wrote, and hes dead and gone for quite long, his ideas might not be up to date too ?..so ill do my own interpretation of whats strength especially when it comes to virus threats ....

Risk assessment

Due to the nature of this virus the typical approach has been turned backwards.
Many people are asymptomatic or not in the high risk groups are being asked to take measures to protect those that are not,
affecting their abilities to work and live. Many of the measures undertaken in the US do not have a coherent application.
People understanding being affected tend to question it

Policy suggestions put forth by leading epidemiologist, Suggest a better approach would be to focus on those groups that are high risk most Vulnerable

[Steve James]

Actually, that's what a vaccine does, aopt a "herd immunity" obtained by "natural selection." I was just trying to connect the Darwin stuff with our present pandemic.

You're right, we have no idea of what a mild dose is. In fact, it's likely that some people will get sick or have a bad reaction to any vaccine, and there will be some for which no vaccine will work. Fortunately, our ability to adapt allows us to create treatments. Unfortunately, politics often gets in the way.

[everything]

I think the later phases of vaccine studies are currently primarily done with vulnerable populations (front line workers who are far more exposed but not necessarily in a higher age/pre-existing condition group).