Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

[Michael]

@ bailewen

Great post. I'm totally with you on all that. We used to be able to accomplish things as a society.

However, the bigwigs decided long ago that democracy is a little too messy, so they went to China and helped one side win their civil war. After years of starving, they found them amenable to economic gain and so they set up some banks. Since then, they have moved the world's manufacturing there and given all our technology to China, and are using them as a transitory fascist system for the long march toward a proper technocracy, where the whole world may become just one thing, and where God's gift of free will to man is totally perverted into what boils down to the valuation of numbers.

For example, money is mostly just a numerical concept, connected to reality mainly by faith in other numbers, like the Dow Jones Index. This is demonstrated recently by the creation of oodles of dollars from thin air as Bernanke explained in the 2009 interview with him I posted earlier in the thread. And it is only for these numbers people justify their actions and measure the consequences.

Want to know more? The following infographic will explain it all

[Steve James]

I don't know what to think of 21 million people disappearing. I think it would take at least twice that number to "disappear" them. The arguments about the technological capacity and inter-connection in the PRC make it seem unlikely to me that it could be done without anyone saying anything. I think it'd be hard to do if it were just 2 million people. But, nothing's impossible.

The arguments about who caused the crisis look to place the blame are useless when it comes to the future of the disease, which is totally in our hands.

The reason the disease is spreading BECAUSE of what people have been doing for the last two weeks. Just because a community, county, or city has a few cases, that doesn't mean it won't get as bad there as it is anywhere else. There is going to be a hotspot in New Orleans because at the time, the federal government said every thing was under control. This disease has never been "under control." It isn't now.

It's bad in NY, but it will run its course here first, too. If the city weren't doing what it is doing, the spread would be worse. What's scary is seeing cities where people think the whole thing is being exaggerated by the media. In fact, distrust of the "MSM" and science has probably made this worse than it ever had to be. Dependence on hunches replaced dependence on experts. Too many people relied on opinions given by politicians who thought the media were trying to get them. Even if the media were doing so, the disease was the problem, and the media wasn't lying about that.

[windwalker]

Taiwan was among the first to react because of their history
recently with a past virus SARS....They did try to warn the WHO but was ignored
why could be for many reasons, some say its because of the WHO relationship with China.

I
but this article does make the point --
that the WHO recommendations and guidelines
give countries an excuse for their inaction
as they delayed response in accordance to the WHO recommendations--
and can then say - that they did nothing wrong...
the author does does say that it really isn't a valid excuse

"It’s an action that allows for the expansion of administrative capacity of national and global public health agencies that can contribute to the response,”
Not so easy to take the measures needed if its not supported



but i am pretty sure that is what people are going to use as an excuse...

the same way the CCP quotes the WHO -
to show that they did an exemplary job...

Those who wanted to have no ears and no eyes for themselves were free to follow the politicization that Tedros clearly brought to the WHO’s communication process, and to use it as an excuse for delayed responses. The excuse might be valid for smaller, less developed and less experienced nations. It does not hold for larger member states with strong participation in the WHO process.

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Soon after the first COVID-19 case appeared in the United States in January, the Trump administration banned foreign nationals from entering the country from China and quarantined Americans returning from Hubei province, then a coronavirus hotspot. This was the first quarantine order the U.S. federal government had issued in over 50 years.[24]

heavily criticized at the time for doing so

The COVID-19 outbreak, which the World Health Organization (WHO) declared a pandemic on March 11

US administration asked why it didn't declare it a "pandemic" something that officially it didn't do until the WHO issued the statement.
Allowing it to use this as part of the rational for the expansion of administrative capacity in national emergency based on an outside threat.

In early March, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) advised against non-essential travel to China, Iran, Malaysia, the United Kingdom, Ireland, and the 26 European countries that comprise the Schengen Area

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_United_States


The US the administration was called out for taking early action on something that was not deemed critical yet....by the same officales /. people who now criticize it for not acting soon enough. Most of the European countries waited for the WHO which by then was to late...Just as in the US despite being early was also probably to late.

[windwalker]

On February 5 , the Democrats' held its very first Coronavirus hearing in the House, after the impeachment trial had failed to convict the President.

What you you quoting anyways? The non-sequiter about the impeachement labels it pretty clearly as sycophantic Fox news.

got it comrade any one with a different view point is sycophantic,,,any news source you dont agree with is also

That sort of news is why we have this sort of news:
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/ ... help-china

A 38-year-old Michigan man with no underlying conditions contracted coronavirus last week and was successfully treated with the drug combination being touted by President Trump.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... -to-death/


The org quote was from one of the posters who had a time line....The article itself reflects the power the governors have over their states that some seem to feel the fed. gov should control ie centralized government. US is not designed that way, doesn't work that way.

as to the "The non-sequiter"

the poster was alluding to what was happening at the time...I would imagine considering what was going on the administration needed
a high level of confirmation before acting, at the time heavily criticized for doing so.

[bailewen]

yeah...Breitbart is not an actual news source.

[windwalker]

yeah...Breitbart is not an actual news source.

“News source “

Kind of a strange term in this day and age. I prefer information source.
As one who questions it are you saying that the information provided is inaccurate or didn’t happen?

For myself I find the idea that some governors are restricting medical treatments that seem to be proven, not yet confirmed for the virus kind of strange

[Steve James]

About those governors, the pres should just shut up and give them what they want. He shouldn't give press conferences where he tells everyone how good he's doing. All the governors --every one-- says they are taking responsibility for the citizens in their states --no matter what they are choosing to do. The pres says that he doesn't take any responsibility; so, he shouldn't give his opinions because some people listen to him. The only thing that becomes apparent is that he's very concerned about how anything makes him look.

Anyone interested, watch a press conference by a governor from any badly affected state. They're all better, more informative, and helpful. There are few speculations or hunches about what will happen because they are dealing directly with what is actually happening in their state. No need to read what they are saying, and they give specific answers to why they do such and such.

[Michael]

I don't know what to think of 21 million people disappearing. I think it would take at least twice that number to "disappear" them. The arguments about the technological capacity and inter-connection in the PRC make it seem unlikely to me that it could be done without anyone saying anything. I think it'd be hard to do if it were just 2 million people. But, nothing's impossible.

I could easily believe 10-20 million Chinese being put into quarantine camps because of the virus without there being an overall ulterior motive. However, we know that these camps do not have medical staff or medical resources, they would therefore simply become a virus incubation facility with a significant mortality rate. Do each of those lost phone numbers represent a person? I don't know, maybe count the urns.

Edited for politeness.

[windwalker]

About those governors, the pres should just shut up and give them what they want

And then some here and others would ask why he has not saying anything.
I hope some understand that supplies are not in exhaustible there are limitations, what’s happening is unprecedented in US history.

Many of the governors are finding themselves in a position where they really have to take their constituency as their first choice, rather than the political choices they made in the past. It’s very easy to criticize others when one does not have to take any action. In the military we had a saying “ if you’re not part of the solution you’re part of the problem.”


I would expect as more information comes out about the virus that the society as a whole will learn how to function using this understanding.

In the military we were trained to function in NBC environments. With the understanding that at some point The agent would lose its effectiveness or be mitigated by other means.

I would expect the same thing to happen in society as a whole.
People should start to understand the importance of taking their own mitigation measures to ensure their own safety.

[Steve James]

Live now:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAx4-WazVDs

[Steve James]

I totally agree with this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfyVDydFETo

[Steve James]

Do you think this is right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuQ5fbPMbAI

[windwalker]

The paper, written by a large group of Chinese researchers from several institutions, offers details about the first 41 hospitalized patients who had confirmed infections with what has been dubbed 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV).

In the earliest case, the patient became ill on 1 December 2019 and had no reported link to the seafood market, the authors report. “No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases,” they state. Their data also show that, in total, 13 of the 41 cases had no link to the marketplace. “That’s a big number, 13, with no link,” says Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01 ... g-globally

Tends to support one theory that there might have been some type of accident
in the bio lab near by...

Retrospective analyses of blood samples in China from people and animals—including vendors from other animal markets—may reveal a clear picture of where the 2019-nCoV originated, he suggests. “There might be a clear signal among the noise,” he says.

China has a past history concerning this

For the third time in less than a year, an outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) seems to have originated from a failure in laboratory containment. This latest incident, revealed in China late last week, is the most serious. One death is tentatively attributed to it, eight people are confirmed or suspected of contracting the disease, and hundreds have been quarantined.

The apparent lapse is especially troubling because it occurred in China's leading SARS research lab, at the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Beijing.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2004/04 ... sars-fears

[grzegorz]

Taiwan was among the first to react because of their history
recently with a past virus SARS....They did try to warn the WHO but was ignored
why could be for many reasons, some say its because of the WHO relationship with China.

True that and unlike "us" they did not ignore the warnings and the experts but more importantly over there being a phoney billionaire/reality TV star doesn't qualify to be the President who gets to crash the plane into the mountain.

More than that though our reality TV president should do what Taiwan did instead he was on Twitter tweeting 150 times a day remember? On days I work I don't even have time to look at RSF. Interesting, isn't it?



You Trump supporters were conned just like the Trump University people who were all convinced they were going to be filthy rich.

Ask yourself this. Instead of seeking praise from the governors why not do all you can to help the governors?

That 2 trillion isn't change the fact that we are going deep into a Trump recession until we stop the virus.

[windwalker]

Having worked in China, in the semiconductor industry, lots of stuff and things can kill you
if one is not aware....in some of the fabs they may feel a little to comfortable feeling they understand
the dangers.

Worked in Singapore , Korea, and Taiwan in some of the Fabs...they tended to have a higher appreciation of protocols and why one should follow them.

Also disturbing, experts say, is that one lab worker traveled widely while she had symptoms of the disease. Despite that lapse, Chinese authorities now seem to have the situation under control, says Robert Dietz, spokesperson for the Beijing office of the World Health Organization (WHO). The two earlier lab accidents, in Singapore in September (ScienceNOW, 10 September) and Taiwan in December (ScienceNOW, 17 December), did not result in spread beyond the affected workers.

Regardless of the source, the outbreak may show "a failure in applying guidelines to monitor the health of the people who work in these labs," Dietz says. After working in the lab in Beijing, Song returned home to Anhui Province. When she developed a fever, she traveled to Beijing by train, where she was treated at a hospital and released

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2004/04 ... sars-fears

"and released".

think about it.....