Michael wrote:The best protective measure is masks and we do not have them because we outsourced those, as well as medicine to China. That is part of globalization and some of its downsides are becoming more apparent now.
Steve James wrote:Here's an easy test Michael. Go to this site: go to Texas: zoom in on Texas: note where there are cases. Now, recognize that for every confirmed case in all those cities there are 50 asymptomatic persons. If they're not doing what NYC did, it can be worse there. Every confirmed cases represents 100 possible cases. People will get sick around the same time.
Michael, you are not washing your hands to protect yourself. You're just trying to make sure you don't transmit the virus to someone else.
Again, so many people are saying the disease isn't so serious and 98% survive.
Michael wrote:Thanks Giles, that's a very good explanation about the masks. I tried in my way to explain that to people in China about the necessity of a seal and why N95 type industrial masks are much more effective than simple surgical masks, or the various fashionable things they wear in China because of air pollution, but many complained that it is too difficult to breathe when wearing them if they have a seal or require much pressure.
Having been the military I'm sure you and some others here probably had to train with gas masks during your normal training.
In the Army we had to do wear them for some 12hrs....the thinking by doing so one would get used to it.
.surgical mask does not protect against “airborne” infectious agents so it will not prevent the wearer from being potentially contaminated by a virus such as the coronavirus.A contagious patient should wear a surgical mask as soon as contagion is suspected.
In Europe, for caregivers, it is necessary to wear a respirator of at least class FFP2 or FFP3 for maximum filtration of particles and aerosols when caring for a patient who is infected or suspected of being so
In the United States, the N95 respirator filters 95% of airborne particles, and can even filter out bacteria and viruses, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
So for caregivers, it is necessary to wear a respirator of class N, R or P
http://emag.medicalexpo.com/which-masks ... ronavirus/
Michael wrote: Thanks Giles, that's a very good explanation about the masks. I tried in my way to explain that to people in China about the necessity of a seal and why N95 type industrial masks are much more effective than simple surgical masks, or the various fashionable things they wear in China because of air pollution, but many complained that it is too difficult to breathe when wearing them if they have a seal or require much pressure.
Staying 6 feet away from people, while a good idea, is mostly impossible to do when you have any specific purpose to go inside. The videos I posted about social distancing enforcement in Nanjing show that it can be done in some places, like restaurants, but not in others, like public transportation.
Washing hands is always good, but you quickly re-contaminate yourself according to the base-level of residual, infectious or "dirty" material on you, around you, stuck to the bottle of disinfectant someone handed you, etc. However, every time you wash correctly, you reduce the amount of material on your hand's skin to minimal, and just need to worry about the fingernails. Some people love their fingernails more than their microbiology.
..... Other personal waste disposal routines also had room for adjustment.
Interesting in that if one has it, the surgical mask can prevent one from spreading it.
Can not prevent one from receiving it. In this time the wearing of the mask may
cause others to think that one is infected with it in countries where it's not normaly
worn in the winter time.
Michael wrote:Interesting in that if one has it, the surgical mask can prevent one from spreading it.
Can not prevent one from receiving it. In this time the wearing of the mask may
cause others to think that one is infected with it in countries where it's not normaly
worn in the winter time.
If you've had a few hours of microbiology swabbing around a kitchen, or one day of NBC training in the military, you get the idea of how this works, or at least your learn to follow the protocol.
PATIENT DECONTAMINATION
STATION: PLANNING, SETUP,
AND OPERATION
Return to Been There Done That
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests