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Re: what is Internal Martial Art

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:34 pm
by Bao
dspyrido wrote:.
An internal martial artist is a martial artists that focuses training more on the internal side of training practices.


Agreed. Simple as that really. But to unnecessarily complicste it, this is from something I wrote a year ago:

"Internal Martial arts, or Neijiaquan, is a definition on Chinese Martial arts that

- Are based, and have a strong focus, on Neigong (internal skills practice), internal practice mostly developed from Daoist practice.

- Have a terminology based on Daoism and Neidan.

- Focus more on internal aspects than external.

- Blend health practice, meditation and martial arts practice together.

They also tend to:

- Use whole body connection and whole body movement to generate strength rather than from isolated limbs and isolated muscle strength.

- Generate strength from softness and from emptiness.

- Approach the attacker not directly strength against strength, but rather from an angle and the distance is carefully cared about.

- Try to hide the body mechanics and attack from a neutral posture. "

I really can't see a boxer or a BJJ practitioner as "internal" compared to tai chi. In the internal arts there is nothing internal except as something that is a consequence of the practice from this specific group of arts. Just being relaxed and use the body efficiently is not enough. That is too general to fit into the frame work of the internal arts.

Re: what is Internal Martial Art

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:55 pm
by Trick
Bao wrote:
dspyrido wrote:.
An internal martial artist is a martial artists that focuses training more on the internal side of training practices.


Agreed. Simple as that really.

Yes that answer the question of what is an internal martial artist, however the headline of the thread is more tricky(for many) since it say “what is internal martial arts”....and from there the answers comes in several forms

Re: what is Internal Martial Art

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:18 am
by chinwoo1956
Hi

Where are all the ' Internal Master' that are kicking Xu Xiaodong arse and making there point.( or any fighters arse for that matter )

Still not sure what makes an internal art? must be there fighting skill and methods.

So can someone please please show a clip where they use there internal fighting methods.

Would be great and very helpful.

Thanks

Re: what is Internal Martial Art

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:42 am
by Bao
chinwoo1956 wrote:Where are all the ' Internal Master' that are kicking Xu Xiaodong arse and making there point.( or any fighters arse for that matter )


Xu does sports. I am not sure he would be just as cocky on the street. You can ask him if he would accept a fight outside on the pavement without rules. Then we can see who wants to fight him.

So can someone please please show a clip where they use there internal fighting methods.


There are not many real fights filmed regardless the fighters background. Real fights often goes very fast and start sudden without anyone having a chance to film it.

Re: what is Internal Martial Art

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:49 am
by Trick
chinwoo1956 wrote:Hi

Where are all the ' Internal Master' that are kicking Xu Xiaodong arse and making there point.( or any fighters arse for that matter )

Still not sure what makes an internal art? must be there fighting skill and methods.

So can someone please please show a clip where they use there internal fighting methods.

Would be great and very helpful.

Thanks

your profile say you practice liuhebafa, thats an inrernal martial art ?

Re: what is Internal Martial Art

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:35 am
by chinwoo1956
Why do you think Liuhebafa is an internal art??

What do you know about Liuhebafa to make that comment, do you practice the system?.

It would be helpful if you could post a list of Chinese internal arts and a list of external arts.

Re: what is Internal Martial Art

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:52 am
by wayne hansen
Only 3
Tai chi
Hsing I
Ba kua
Saying that all Chinese arts have internal content

Re: what is Internal Martial Art

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:02 pm
by Trick
chinwoo1956 wrote:Why do you think Liuhebafa is an internal art??

What do you know about Liuhebafa to make that comment, do you practice the system?.

It would be helpful if you could post a list of Chinese internal arts and a list of external arts.
. liuhebafa, thats an inrernal martial art ?
note the question mark , im asking an question

Re: what is Internal Martial Art

PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:01 am
by wiesiek
LHBF is the internal MA ,
didn`t practice it, just heard somewhere... 8-)

Re: what is Internal Martial Art

PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:55 am
by Trick
wiesiek wrote:LHBF is the internal MA ,
didn`t practice it, just heard somewhere... 8-)

i actually heard that too, but the OP made me uncertain, i might have heard mistake.....a list would be helpful 8-)

Re: what is Internal Martial Art

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:42 am
by Dmitri
We need to create a RBTDT ("ReallyBTDT") sub-section within the BTDT section, and move this conversation in there. :D

Re: what is Internal Martial Art

PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:00 am
by wiesiek
:D in times, when new interesting topics are as rare, as unpolluted food, poofing, that camel is the camel may looks sexy for manyyy.... -deadhorse-

Re: what is Internal Martial Art

PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:51 am
by Bill
They are there so old people can pretend to still be fighters.

Re: what is Internal Martial Art

PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:38 pm
by Strange
人心唯危,道心唯微。唯精唯一,允执厥中
the human mind is treacherous, the Way is Dao is minute
be of one-mind in your studies, keeping firmly to the middle

阵而后战 兵家之常 运用之妙 存乎一心
making strategies before battle is common practice among warriors
(but) what makes the execution sublime, is in its singleminded application

东西练对了 都一个样 练错了 千差万别
the thing if train correctly, all look the same
if trained wrongly, tens of thousands of variations


I was wrong, so have to make correction. it is one
internal/external are man-made categories that cloud understanding further
the more you talk, the more lost
as Six Patriarch said, it is not the flag that move, nor the wind
it is the movement of the mind