Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby Steve James on Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:30 am

You only know whether the cat is alive or dead once it's out of the bag.
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby Quigga on Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:36 am

If it doesn't scream when you hit the bag, good chance it's dead.
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby Doc Stier on Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:42 am

Hahaha! What a hoot! Of course, the Gracies obviously sold their system for fame and fortune. They didn't literally "give it away". But in so doing, they lost any street fighting edge or challenge match advantage which they may have enjoyed previously. It was totally and solely their choice to do so. In retrospect, the family teaching business was greatly enhanced financially as a result. Nearly all famous martial art families have done likewise to insure that their rice bowl remains filled to overflow.

However, not everyone chooses to follow that path. Those who see their martial arts knowledge and skill sets simply as a commodity to be sold, probably won't understand the various reasons why some choose not to market their arts in the same way. To each as they deem best for themselves. :)
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby GrahamB on Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:49 pm

Quigga wrote:If it doesn't scream when you hit the bag, good chance it's dead.


Not if the cat belongs to Schrödinger, in which case it is both simultaneously alive and dead.
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby GrahamB on Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:51 pm

Until you open the bag that is, at which point reality will disolve into one of two possible states.
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby Steve James on Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:18 pm

You're right.
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby Doc Stier on Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:40 pm

Popular opinion trends in recent years are really interesting. Some people express their belief that traditional style practice material and training methods are completely outdated and ineffective in today's MMA world, having been killed by Old School perspectives and secrecy.

And yet, they also think that teachers who perpetuate the traditional styles should openly and totally share them with their critics via free YouTube videos, free ebooks and blog articles, etc. OK, but if they no longer have much real value, why bother wasting time with anything specifically related to their practices?

Conversely, any teacher who appears to diverge from the traditional, classical arts and practices by creating new training methods or by editing and modifying the older traditional material is usually labeled as a fraudulent teacher and/or a rogue practitioner.

So what's left in between other than the same basic kickboxing and grappling most MMA guys are training? Is there no longer any benefit in older traditional training, or any fresh benefit to be found in the modern innovations? :-\
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby GrahamB on Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:55 pm

Of course there is! I'm not exactly going to satisfy the hungry ghosts of my ancestors slain in battle over generations by performing the ritual of "BJJ rolling", am I? I need to re-enact the ritual of the taoist warrior in battle for that, so only Chen style Tai Chi will do!
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby GrahamB on Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:40 pm

"basic kickboxing and grappling most MMA guys are training?"

It all depends how you look at it. What perspective you use.

You could say the "basic kickboxing" done by MMA guys is the cutting edge in combat science. Higly trained full time professionals pushing the limits of physical edurance and fitness. And sometimes an experiment with a chemistry set too. ::)

As for the "basic grappling" - again, it's high-level grappling under pressure and real resistance. It has a history that goes back all the way to anceint China via America, Brazil and Japan.

I think ideas like "traditional" and "classic" are convenient labels for people. "kickboxing" that forms the basis of MMA striking has roots in the traditional and the classical, so does the grappling...

Peopel were kickboxing and grappling before Taijiquan, Baguazhang, Wing Chun, White Eyebrow and Choy Li Fut existed.
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby Doc Stier on Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:18 am

C'mon, Graham! Give me a break. My comments simply express my personal opinions, nothing more. I am neither judging anyone nor finding fault with differing opinions. Thus, a defensive rebuttal from you to everything I post isn't necessary. :-\

My references to basic kickboxing and basic grappling are in no way meant to slight anyone. Basic body methods based upon basic principles, and basic striking and grappling techniques derived from them, form the foundation of every style and system. High level practitioners are those who have more thoroughly mastered the 'basics', and have a better understanding of how to apply them in their fighting techniques.

At this point in time, virtually every martial art style on the planet has been edited, modified and added to since its inception in efforts to improve their martial efficiency. Therefore, probably all styles are now 'mixed martial arts', but just not necessarily what has been branded as competitive MMA. It's all good! :)
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby GrahamB on Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:06 am

Surely you don't mind having some of your basic assumptions challeneged now and again, eh, Doc? ;) It's good for the soul.
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby Doc Stier on Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:59 am

Pffft! My personal study of and training experience in all aspects of the martial arts over the past 60 years transcended the level of basic assumptions long ago. Nonetheless, the entire process along the way to this point has been good for the soul. :P
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