more acid kool aid from the miz

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Re: more acid kool aid from the miz

Postby Quigga on Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:40 pm

Makes me sad to hear how many frauds there are. Aren't there easier ways to earn money if that's what you want? :(

Peacedog, I've heard Adam say in vid of his that he learned Hermetics. He didn't say from where. Then he went to a cave, practiced extensively with elementals (whatever that might be), had an accident or drama of some kind (He said his Buddhism teacher found him), started going the Buddhist way with prior hermetic training, then finding Tai Chi and claiming his skills in Tai Chi come mostly from sitting meditation practice.

So yeah, it's pretty sad how untransparent people can be. Especially teachers of something where authenticity, simplicity, humility, real human connection are expected and required. Not hiding behind the teacher role and manipulating people from there. I'd say one of my teachers is guilty of that as well, though on different but similar level. Still shedding not useful stuff from him and cutting cords.

Makes me kinda pissed at people who should know better. Or present themselves as such. Why not say where you learned from? Unifying spiritual teachings into a new school, hello? Being scared people will go to the source where one learned from as well? Beating those people up won't change anything.

Exposing them - only those who want to listen will learn. And not sure if there is negative karma attached to massively exposing a teacher and waking students up. Maybe there's a core of goodness in their teachings? Yet making students dependent on you in such a way makes you a piece of shit.

Guess we need more Xu Xiao Dongs. And if a teacher doesn't accept public challenges in a MMA style venue with the same ruleset (no crippling, maiming or killing; Kung Fu guys back then had a honor code too IMO), then that tells you all you need to know about that dude or gal in martial terms.

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Re: more acid kool aid from the miz

Postby Quigga on Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:42 pm

Tbh I was looking for a course to sign up. Will give Rasmus a shot, thanks for pointing me in his way.
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Re: more acid kool aid from the miz

Postby dspyrido on Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:45 pm

I don't know how any of you guys can elearn sensitivity based drills online without a training partner.

If you have a willing training partner & assuming you have a martial base then you should be exploring and testing your own moves. Perhaps the videos might be of use then but not as much as applying deep thought and real testing under pressure.
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Re: more acid kool aid from the miz

Postby robert on Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:59 pm

Quigga wrote:Tbh I was looking for a course to sign up. Will give Rasmus a shot, thanks for pointing me in his way.

Unfortunately it's still kool aid, only with Rasmus it's labelled hermetic. Charles Tauber put out some videos that demonstrate the body mechanics without the cool aid.



You can describe what's being done in terms of jin or qi, but you're still doing the same thing. The idea is pretty simple, but it takes a lot of training to develop a taiji/xinyi/bagua body. FWIW.
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Re: more acid kool aid from the miz

Postby Doc Stier on Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:06 pm

With the exception of verifiable reports of personal scandal or criminal wrongdoing in the mainstream news media outlets, all other publicity is essentially good publicity, as it keeps one's name and personal enterprises before the public eye.

Thus, even mostly disparaging threads like this are ultimately beneficial to whomever is being targeted by their detractors, as nothing changes and the intended target simply carries on with even greater notoriety than ever.

I suspect that guys like Adam Mizner, B.K. Frantzis, and others, deliberately intend for their public videos and writings to be controversial, thus insuring widespread discussion and debate. This in turn ultimately promotes their respective gigs more than it harms them. Meanwhile, their businesses flourish and their incomes soar even higher. Ain't it great! :o
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Re: more acid kool aid from the miz

Postby Trick on Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:38 am

Spot on, they all fell into the trap :)
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Re: more acid kool aid from the miz

Postby wayne hansen on Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:31 am

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Re: more acid kool aid from the miz

Postby Subitai on Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:39 pm

Trick wrote:
. Again, people seldom have the interest to actually learn and know things, but rather they want magic and watch things they have a hard time to understand.
. Well those who looking to learn how to punch someone in the mouth will of course not turn to Taijiquan. TJQ offer something different -an over all awareness practice applicable in ones daily duties making those easier.
As an “martial art” practice it’s suited for those who already know mouth punching and the practice might fine tune their awareness so to they will not risk hurting their knuckles and opponent mouth



Kinda like what Trick is saying here... (even if it's not what you meant :) ) It almost sounds like you're alluding to the saying:

"Taiji makes whatever else your doing better" .

Of which I agree. Learn the hard ways 1st, sparring/fighting and then later Taiji can bring you to another level.
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Re: more acid kool aid from the miz

Postby wayne hansen on Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:44 pm

If you have a good teacher you need no kindergarten
Don’t come along with a bunch of things the teacher has to erase
My best students were women because they came along with no pugalistic garbage
I remember one well known teacher who came to watch often
He looked at one female student and said she looked to square
The next time he came she was fighting and pushing
He said that the best tai chi woman I have ever seen
He demands big money on the European circuit
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Re: more acid kool aid from the miz

Postby Trick on Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:20 pm

. He said that the best tai chi woman I have ever seen
reminds me of that Aussie bands song
. She was a fast machine she kept her motor clean
She was the best damn woman that I ever seen
anyway, tai chi woman ! that’s the first time for me.........................I’ve heard “woman tai chi” before, referring to the standardised 24 form.....
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Re: more acid kool aid from the miz

Postby wayne hansen on Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:17 am

Formed in Australia but I don't think there is an Ossie amongst them
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Re: more acid kool aid from the miz

Postby Quigga on Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:41 am

Everybody will prefer a different flavour of kool aid. I can recommend Rasmus wholeheartedly. He cleared up a lot of confusion, lot of doubts I had, even in the first week. Or rather gave me confidence that I wasn't that far off. What I like is that he clearly shows that the foundations one builds in the beginning stages of Tai Chi are stepping stones for later work. The serious spiritual kind.

For me, IMA and spirituality are inseparable. What others think of this, I'm not sure if I care. Discussing / arguing / explaining are good for practicing. Maybe if there was money to be made from this for me, I would care more about what others think. If people want to deepen their practice, there are enough pointers all over the place.
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Re: more acid kool aid from the miz

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:27 pm

Looking at rasmus I can see some skill
Don't you think his size is a major factor in his ability to use it
He looks like a heavyweight against a flyweight in most cases
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Re: more acid kool aid from the miz

Postby Peacedog on Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:33 pm

Quigga,

That is the whole thing. Most people who complain about this simply haven't had access to the specific methods of training the esoteric. It is all quite simple really. In fact, 99% of the time it is boring as hell. Very mechanical. And FWIW, after looking at the various systems out there over the last 30 years, I'm increasingly seeing very little difference in the techniques employed. What I do see is that openly teaching them is quite rare for any number of reasons.

Glad you enjoyed working with Mark. He is a rare individual.
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Re: more acid kool aid from the miz

Postby Quigga on Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:50 am

I'm enrolled in his Elastic Force Chi Kung course, if that counts as working with him. Another person on my 'want to meet list. The more I practice, the more I agree with the mechanical view... lots of beliefs just exist to control the person.

I wonder what makes him so rare? What personal qualities are there that could be emulated?
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