Dan Harden at it again...

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Re: Dan Harden at it again...

Postby GrahamB on Sun May 16, 2021 10:32 pm

I totally agree Steve, but MMA is weird though - you can still get to a really high level with a relatively narrow skill set. There are still people who are obvioiusly jiujitsu fighters, or wrestlers or strikers. They do combine everything, but still have a clear preference.

Last night: Chandler vs Olivera headline was a good example.

Chandler does all the stuff American wrestlers do with hardly any adaptation for MMA. 0 effort to pass guard - just punch. But it seems to work for him. He does Wrestling escapes to everything and gets his back taken but explodes out.

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In contrast, Olivera is much more rounded. He can strike and wrestle but also clearly favours jiujitsu:

attempts armbar

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then triangle

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then technical sweep

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then shin guard

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all in like a second...

while Chandler just spazzes and public chants "U S A" ;D

That fight could have gone either way.
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Re: Dan Harden at it again...

Postby Steve James on Mon May 17, 2021 3:16 am

Hey Graham, I agree. I think most mma fighters have specialties, but have to train as generalists. I also think some specialties are more useful. I think we've yet to see an mma champ who's not better at one aspect than another. I.e. A weakness. The wider the toolset, the better the athlete's chances.

Mma didn't start out with generalists. It started as a competition among specialists. I mean modern mma. People have always used everything to fight.
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Re: Dan Harden at it again...

Postby GrahamB on Mon May 17, 2021 3:29 am

Hey Steve - GSP. He was equally good at everything, however that made him a bit boring to watch ;D
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Re: Dan Harden at it again...

Postby Steve James on Mon May 17, 2021 4:27 am

GrahamB wrote:Hey Steve - GSP. He was equally good at everything, however that made him a bit boring to watch ;D


Yeah, GSP is a karate guy, but one could never tell. He doesn't have a weak area. Then again, he also has a beast of a trainer.:)
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Re: Dan Harden at it again...

Postby cloudz on Thu May 27, 2021 9:36 am

not disagreeing with what you wrote Steve,
it's all punching, kicking, wrestling, choking, cranking limbs.. it's been said; "fighting is fighting"
some arts just took that further, in terms of testing within rulesets and evolving themselves from what they grew out of.

As for GSP, his wrestling was off the charts; I was personally told about this by my ex coach who had trained and sparred with him..
A genuine standout experience by the sounds of it. The strongest aspect of his MMA game, according to what I would describe as being an expert witness. ;D
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Re: Dan Harden at it again...

Postby cloudz on Thu May 27, 2021 9:40 am

GrahamB wrote:Hey Steve - GSP. He was equally good at everything, however that made him a bit boring to watch ;D



He was a good all rounder.. but his wrestling was very high level for an MMA guy, particularly so because he didn't come from that background.
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Re: Dan Harden at it again...

Postby Steve James on Thu May 27, 2021 1:51 pm

Oh, no problem George. I agree that rules (written, unwritten, and traditional) determine the trainng for competition, and some arts prepare practitioners better.

Yeah, in general, all multi-discipline athletes will be more adept at one --even if it's not their first (base) art. GSP can compete with high level wrestlers,submission wrestlers, boxers, and kickers. He doesn't have an obvious weakness in any area.
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