shawnsegler wrote:I thought anything having to do with him was auto BTDT?
salcanzonieri wrote:In my opinion, the Preface makes sense that Liuhe Quan always said that their material came from Yue Fei, and in a way it really did.
Slim wrote:salcanzonieri wrote:In my opinion, the Preface makes sense that Liuhe Quan always said that their material came from Yue Fei, and in a way it really did.
Hi Salcanzonieri (or others who have thoughts on this)
Just curious about your take on the Yue Fei connection and what you meant by "in a way it really did."
I was always under the impression that martial arts said to have been invented by Yue Fei originally most likely weren't and simply following the Chinese habit of ascribing a legendary figure to ones work. One of the teachers of my Teacher originally practiced Yue Shi San Shou so I'm aware of the view of these sorts of things from within the tradition (not to mention XYQ or TJQ and Zhang Sanfeng or LHBF and Chen Bo), however it seems from a historical perspective it doesn't hold much water. I'm mostly thinking of the source 岳武穆年譜 which has very little to suggest Yue Fei developed and passed on any martial arts. The bio of him in the History of the Song does mention martial ability but it was written 60 years after his death so might not be fully accurate. Of course there is all the folk lore and legends that developed around the man but its hard to know what's historically real. Anyways I would be interested to more from the perspective of Chinese martial arts historians.
salcanzonieri wrote:Slim wrote:salcanzonieri wrote:In my opinion, the Preface makes sense that Liuhe Quan always said that their material came from Yue Fei, and in a way it really did.
Hi Salcanzonieri (or others who have thoughts on this)
Just curious about your take on the Yue Fei connection and what you meant by "in a way it really did."
I was always under the impression that martial arts said to have been invented by Yue Fei originally most likely weren't and simply following the Chinese habit of ascribing a legendary figure to ones work. One of the teachers of my Teacher originally practiced Yue Shi San Shou so I'm aware of the view of these sorts of things from within the tradition (not to mention XYQ or TJQ and Zhang Sanfeng or LHBF and Chen Bo), however it seems from a historical perspective it doesn't hold much water. I'm mostly thinking of the source 岳武穆年譜 which has very little to suggest Yue Fei developed and passed on any martial arts. The bio of him in the History of the Song does mention martial ability but it was written 60 years after his death so might not be fully accurate. Of course there is all the folk lore and legends that developed around the man but its hard to know what's historically real. Anyways I would be interested to more from the perspective of Chinese martial arts historians.
It not 'Yue Fei" that invented it, of course for all the reasons known.
Its people that are called "Yue Jia" Yue's Family (not meaning the style that his descendants practice today, which is very similar though). This is a term for the the martial arts that were spread by the returning military men of the Southern Song army. It's a code word for Chinese empire loyalists. They were also called "knights" as well, in a nod to the time period of the Noble Knights Errant. These people were the "wandering Taoists" of history in the central plains.
So, it is martial art material that is named after Yue Fei, but the physical connection is this stuff is descended from military methods.
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