edededed wrote:Interesting - I see now what "gates" means, at least for the first 3 (I guess the 4 gates for the luohan patting are not the same... are they called 關 as well?)
Is this qigong being taught by He Jinbao? Would be interesting to learn it for comparison...
Yes its a (kind of) translation of my Chinese name, like water gushing up, and I am called this by my friends in England. Ok my teacher was Mike Gillespie, a 6th Generation disciple of He Shen Ting who lived the latter part of his life in Taiwan. I think he was in America a couple of times by invitation , but his only disciple from outside ROC was Mike Gillespie who spent eight years with him. I dont think many would have known Mike as he was totally against teaching his stuff publicly, but he had solid and fluid Bagua skill. There were only a few of us in the training in different parts of the country as he travelled all over a lot, few years ago he got involved with some kind of intelligence work due to his linguistic skills (when I knew him he spoke seven languages) and last we heard he died in Asia. So, I keep circling............
Miro wrote:I discovered this topic only now. It is dead for several months already but if anyone involved here is still interested, I practiced with He Shunding for the last five years of his teaching (until he stopped teaching), both his Sun style bagua and xingyi. I would like to clarify several points of this discussion:
1. Mike Gillespie was not a disciple of He Shunding. Once I introduced a Westerner to him, who was originally student of Mike Gillespie. That Westerner told He Shunding, that he studied with his disciple Mike - and He Shunding immediately corrected him: "He (Mike Gillespie) was not my disciple." Although I practiced with He Shunding for five years, I do not know personally any disciple of his and I am not sure if he ever took any disciples (but he taught hundreds students). Even his most senior student (surname Shi, I do not remember his given name now) who taught his style was not his official disciple. That Westerner also told me that Mike supposedly lived and learned from He Shunding in some temple in the mountains. That is not truth, He Shunding never lived and taught in any temple...
2. Also, Spring said that Mike´s "job was safe guarding in transit sacred relics and scriptures from Korea, Taiwan, China and so on". I was Buddhist monk in Taiwan for 16 years and I can tell you that this statement is utterly ridiculous. First, there were no religious contacts between Taiwan and China at that time and Taiwanese monks could apply for Mainland visa only with photo in civil dress, not in monk dress (once I did not got Mainland visa because I had monk´s photo in my passport too). Second, there was almost no transit of any relics and if, that certainly would not need to have special guards - that is just fairy tales for Westerners...
3. The sentence that he spent with He eight years day and night is not true. He Shunding was busy man, he taught at the Chinese Culture University, he was active in Taiwan MA Association, he had family, other things, he could not give to any of his students "day and night" training, and certainly not for 8 years! Mike G. certainly did not study with him at that University, for example. I never heard He Shunding to talk about Mike except on that one occassion with that particular Westerner.
4. I never heard He Shunding to talk about any Taogong system as highest level of Sun style, neither him, nor any other students of his. I dare to say he never used these "highest level" words, I knew him well and I know he would not use them. I can even give you He Shunding´s phone mumber, you can call him and ask him, I can guarantee he did not say that.
Miro
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