kreese wrote:kreese wrote:kreese wrote:In the interest of history, can somebody tell us about the various branches of Xingyiquan coming from Hong Yi Xiang and especially Xu Hong Ji? Which of these teachers has fought full-contact? Who has trained full-contact fighters?
I can think of:
via Xu Hong Ji: Mike Patterson*, Vince Black*, Dale Shigenaga (sp?), James McNeil*, Tim Cartmell*, Charles Alsip (?) in Indiana, USA, John Price*, Mike Bingo**
via Hong Yi Xiang: Su Dong Chen*, Luo De Xiu*, Xi Hong Ji*
* has fought in tournaments himself or has trained full-contact fighters with success
** used his xingyiquan in military combat situations
- Edited to add Xu Hong Ji and Charles Alsip (?) thanks to NianFong and a sticky note I had on my desktop
- Vince Black and John Price fought/trained fighters
JessOBrien wrote:Although perhaps wartime may not be the most leisurely time to train martial arts, many of the Chinese martial arts were developed for warfare. The founders of many of these arts had been soldiers and had extensive direct experience of battlefield combat.
There are aspects of these arts that can only be experienced through actual life and death situations. In my opinion one must undergo such experiences to reach the height of martial arts skill....for those who seek to "take it to the top", there is no substitute.
JessOBrien wrote:I spent some time over the last few weeks with a guy who was a student of Mike Bingo for quite a while. He said that Hsu Hong Ji trained Bingo over a period of years, correcting and instructing him every time he returned from the jungle in Vietnam.
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