jonathan.bluestein wrote:Yusuf, that's funny. You bring me quotes from a Nobel prize winner for peace? hahahahaha Here are a few other winner of the same prize:
- Yasser Arafat - A terrorist directly responsible to the murder of thousands of Israelis and Arabs.
- Shimon Peres - A great Israeli diplomat. Also responsible for the establishment of Israel's nuclear facilities.
- Barack Obama - A person in control of a nation that invade other nations for oil, who still kept US armies overseas.
Ridiculous prize category. Means nothing. You also have holy man from any religion talking bullshit all over. Fact he's a clergyman means nothing as well. Dedicating your life to religion doesn't give you any common sense, or reasonable judgement beyond that of other people.
Yes, the Jewish lobby is powerful. But Jews don't control the world - at best, they can influence the amount of money delivered to Israel, which is anyhow never delivered as is, but given as options for buying stuff from American companies. So in reality it's giving money to the American business community and supporting it. True, more military firms than other companies.
Who said the wall was intended to make peace? The wall was intended to keep terrorists from entering Israel illegally and blowing my ass off! As I said - people who're honest and hardworking are regularly giving permit to either visit or work in Israel. Terrorists do not get such permits. Without the wall though, it could've been much easier for them to get in. That's what the wall was built for. It's like the Mexican border, except that our "Mexicans" often want to kill us rather than make a living. Is the US an apartheid country because of the Mexican border?
Israel has used a covert procedure to cancel the residency status of 140,000 West Bank Palestinians between 1967 and 1994, the legal advisor for the Judea and Samaria Justice Ministry's office admits, in a new document obtained by Haaretz. The document was written after the Center for the Defense of the Individual filed a request under the Freedom of Information Law.
yusuf wrote:So the fact you have no clue who he is, and put him in the same category as the terrorist Yasser Araft, sort of highlights the narrow minded ignorance of most Israelis, and undermines your subsequent rant about the wall... Tutu lived under apartheid, fought it and recognises it in Israeli policies in the occupied Palestinian teritories.. only last week there was the embarrasing revelation that Israel had deliberately set up a secret policy to ensure 140,000 Palestinians who had gone abroad to study were stripped of any papers allowing them to return...Israel has used a covert procedure to cancel the residency status of 140,000 West Bank Palestinians between 1967 and 1994, the legal advisor for the Judea and Samaria Justice Ministry's office admits, in a new document obtained by Haaretz. The document was written after the Center for the Defense of the Individual filed a request under the Freedom of Information Law.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-admits-it-covertly-canceled-residency-status-of-140-000-palestinians-1.360935
forget the wall. that is apartheid...
this thread was originally about muslim tolerance, but your stupid comments about 'true muslims' (imagine if i said 'true jew'), and snide comments about the results of giving democracy to them crrazy egyptians means i fully intend to illustrate your own nations hypocrisy whenever you open your ill informed mouth...
Chris Fleming wrote:
Faris wrote:
Very good/bad(?)
Considering the influence of the Zionist lobby a wikipedia article may not be considered an unimpeachable source, by many.
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jonathan.bluestein wrote:.
Now, how about Islam encouraging lying to non-Muslims for the greater good of Islamic cause?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/011-taqiyya.htm
How can you rely on anything said by a religious Muslim after having read these words from the Koran or the Hadith?
This is what they teach their children. There are no such TV shows on Israeli TV.
JLaw.com, a website dedicated to expounding Jewish law, declares:
There is no question that Jewish law obligates one to prevaricate in order to save one’s own life or the life of another person.
Rabbi Michael Broyde writes:
It can be clearly demonstrated that lying to save the life of an innocent person is permissible. Thus, this lie becomes legally justifiable to save one’s own life too.
Rabbi Joseph Telushkin writes:
Jewish law condemns as foolish and immoral both telling the truth to an evil person and thereby enabling him to go on doing evil, or telling the truth to an evil person that leads to your [own] murder.
And he says further:
We are permitted to lie, or otherwise deceive, unscrupulous people even if we only suspect that our lives may be in danger. [26]
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