TrainingDummy wrote:I did the "godan" test for my shodan in Bujinkan.
You don't see, hear or feel anything beyond sensing the "killing" intent of the attacker.
It's a lot easier than it looks, and is very trainable. It's actually a LOT harder if someone doesn't throw their intent meaningfully at you, and just swings the sword at your head.
zack wrote:This is an interesting topic. My question is: When it comes to the negative situations, How would a person distinguish this skill from paranoia?
Doc Stier wrote:Although the Godan test is interesting, the 'defender' knows exactly what is going to happen in advance, but doesn't when it is going to happen. I'm guessing that the close physical proximity of the 'attack' most likely allows normal physical senses to be employed in reacting to it. A sufficiently relaxed and focused 'defender' should thus be able to hear the air displaced by the movement of the shinai, as well as the movement of the sensei's body and clothing at such close quarters.
With all due respect to the acquired skills and reflexes of the 'defender' in that clip, I wouldn't say conclusively that something akin to what we're discussing here couldn't also be involved to some degree, but merely that this type of prefabricated scenario seems different to me than detecting the presence of an unknown ambush attacker who is yet to be seen or heard in any way.
Cryptohominid wrote:Dimitri said:
"I dunno Doc... I would venture a guess that modern psychology and related fields of study can probably explain very nicely every single instance of the "mysterious" phenomena you mention above as examples of something extraordinary... "
I have to agree here. The human mind is a fantastic parallel processor and much of what it does is carried on unconsciously. Just one example from this thread:
Cryptohominid wrote:Dimitri said:
"I dunno Doc... I would venture a guess that modern psychology and related fields of study can probably explain very nicely every single instance of the "mysterious" phenomena you mention above as examples of something extraordinary... "
I have to agree here. The human mind is a fantastic parallel processor and much of what it does is carried on unconsciously. Just one example from this thread:
Deus Trismegistus said:
"I have to agree with Doc on the existence of this stuff. Just as an example a friend of mine tried to sneak up on me in the park across from our kung fu school when I was sitting on a bench taking a break from my workout. He was about 50 yards away directly behind me. I just turned around and smiled at him. When I turned around it was completely instinctive, I did not know he was there nor did I expect him to be there."
This is a little thing known as cognitive bias. Fact is, we check our surroundings all the time—but if nothing is out of the ordinary or note worthy we simply don't notice or remember that we are doing it. When we do find something note worthy, we remember that, and often give the event a significance it doesn't really warrant. It's part of how our brains work and is tied in with the fact that we are hyper pattern recognizers (an evolutionarily valuable survival heuristic) and tend to ascribe agency even where there is none.
I'll be accused of many here of being dismissive at best, but I think looking into the fascinating progress science has made on this front is far more interesting and illuminating than any paranormal/prescientific explanation I have ever heard. Now, if anyone wants to prove me (and moreover, science) wrong on this front, I'm game. If someone can show ANY para-normal ability of this type under controlled conditions and give results better than what is expected by chance, not only will I shake your hand and admit I was wrong (and probably sign up for lessons ) but the J-Ref will hand you over a million dollars.
Good luck!
Doc Stier wrote:Nonetheless, it can reasonably be argued that many things exist or occur as experiential realities which can't be adequately measured by current scientific processes sufficiently to conclusively either validate or invalidate how and why they exist or occur as they do.
wiesiek wrote:hehe,Cryptohominid
as far as I know
modern psychology and related fields takes a lot of concepts and trainings/exercises directly from ancient eastern hermits...
DeusTrismegistus wrote:However there is research showing not only that humans can effect the outcomes of random number generators by our consciousness but also the meditation of many individuals can effect the international crime rate. Further consciousness has been shown to effect directly physical object through torsion fields which are little known in the west but have been researched for over 30 years in Russia.
DeusTrismegistus wrote:So perhaps, just maybe, science will one day actually explain extrasensory awareness. However that can never happen until claims of such a thing existing are not dismissed out of hand
Cryptohominid wrote:Relaxation, breath control, and learning how to get one's conscious mind out of the way of the subconscious when necessary are all sufficient and useful benefits for a martial artist. No one in science doubts the mind can affect the body...."
Doc Stier wrote:Cryptohominid wrote:Relaxation, breath control, and learning how to get one's conscious mind out of the way of the subconscious when necessary are all sufficient and useful benefits for a martial artist. No one in science doubts the mind can affect the body...."
I agree completely. And at the end of the day, that's all I'm really saying!
I used to view this phenomenon just like you do now, but after long term study and practice of various mind control methods, and thereafter repeatedly experiencing the practical benefits of allowing this type of subconscious mental awareness to help me either get out of harm's way before it was too late or to help me respond in a faster and more effective manner, when there wasn't time to get out of harm's way, I eventually gave up those beliefs!
Ultimately, from my personal point of view, validation of this phenomenon is found in the undeniable experiences of human beings in potentially life threatening or other emergency situations everywhere throughout human history, including people from all walks of life of both genders and from virtually every racial and ethnic group, not from some sterile, non-life threatening or non-emergency scientific lab experiment or research study.
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