Andy_S wrote:Alternatively:
Take the top Systema peeps; drop them alone and unarmed among a bunch of old ladies and aging hippes in the park; see how long they survive.
some of those old ladies are tough....
Andy_S wrote:Alternatively:
Take the top Systema peeps; drop them alone and unarmed among a bunch of old ladies and aging hippes in the park; see how long they survive.
liokault wrote:They would starve to death if none of the above didnt buy their product.
RobP2 wrote:Andy_S wrote:Alternatively:
Take the top Systema peeps; drop them alone and unarmed among a bunch of old ladies and aging hippes in the park; see how long they survive.
some of those old ladies are tough....
RobP2 wrote:liokault wrote:They would starve to death if none of the above didnt buy their product.
Hmmm would be interesting to compare the cost of , say, learning secret neigong exericses with the amount I've spent on lessons with Vladimir over the years
As for the other guys I'm sure their military / professional work would keep them ticking over
Andy_S wrote:I really like this clip of Systema instructor, Alex Kostic.
See from 9:41 onward.
"We are tuning our arms to our bodies"
"I am joining my body and continuing the movement"
"Body is waving; and we have arms; and we have rotations"
This is gold and is basically Taiji by any other definition.
There are two basic responses to a strike.
(1) Stop the strike early with a block, stop hit or push; and
(2) Parry the movement while moving your own body letting it continue on its trajectory - ie letting his momentum increase, not decrease.
The latter is IMHO, the best option, as it puts you in position to counterattack....and indeed, Kostic's first movement is, basically, the Taiji double-handed defense.
If the Russian guys have come to this defense intuitively - and/or through practice (or, indeed, from pinching other peeps' stuff) then good for them.
The Chinese have this in their tactical philosophies, basic moves and forms (in Taiji, we add a forward step to Kostic's first defense) but IME, most CMArtists don't have the drills to teach it which are, arguably, the most important thing.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=gMqQpPtdQkk&NR=1[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... tdQkk&NR=1
Chris McKinley wrote:To be fair, Dan, a knife in the hands of a well-trained and capable person eats just about anybody up, regardless of what they train empty-handed, including anything you or I might be doing. Statistically, nobody does particularly well against a highly trained and skilled knife fighter when they're empty-handed. Nobody. Anyone who claims otherwise is either lying or speaking from ignorance, and both are equally dangerous. Further, if your criterion is to be meaningful, it would have to be applied equally to the alternatives to which Systema might be compared.
I'm not a Systema guy, and I think a fair and objective look at what they do is totally appropriate for discussion. I, too, for example, have wondered that they seem to have both the attackers and defenders moving in a "Systema-like" way, for lack of a better term. That's okay if it's a two-way drill, but then IMO you'd also need to include some work where the attacker's movements are more typical and realistic. And maybe they do, I don't have enough familiarity to say.
Chris McKinley wrote:If/when you see what is, to you (or me), a glaring deficiency in someone else's approach, you simply mention it as objectively as possible, ...
Chris McKinley wrote:In general, it's an issue of basic courtesy that if you're going to offer a criticism, you ought also to offer a clear solution that is as easily understood.
Since I know these guys, soime for years now, we have discussed it in detail. I know that it is meant to teach and impart other things, I have told them they do a diservice to both themselves and the budo community to put that stuff out there without explanations.
Real people do not behave that way and trained people will work you and vector you and keep coming. I always remove the fenfer out of every video in my minds eye and watch the attacker. If I don't see a real attack and response-even slow is okay provided the dynamics work, then what's the point?
Chris, I don't know you address this question to me or not.
The solution is when you teach a combat application, you have to to explain the precise contact points, where is your hands and feet position. How exactly that you have destroyed your opponent's balance...
Chris McKinley wrote:Personally, I find that specifying exact contact points is both unrealistic and a bit of a red herring for most tactics. There are exceptions, certain chokes and throws being prime examples, but in the majority of cases, there is no way to have a realistic discussion of "precise contact points" with regard to the chaos of a real fight, nor are they necessary anyway.
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