Andy_S wrote:Changquan is a curious beast. It has many variants, which (I suppose) is what makes it one of the most practiced MA in China, and the most recognizable of the wushu sets.
But however athletic and elegant it may be, Changquan's applications are generally unclear, even when compared to close cousins such as Mantis. How DO you decipher them? Or is the only key to be shown them?
Even when Changquan is applied, many of the moves look extremely dodgy to me: Draeger's book on "Shantung Black Tiger," for eg, contains some very elegant forms, but also page after page of almost ridiculously ineffectual apps. The same is true for various books on "Northern Shaolin" produced in the US and Hong Kong in the 1970s and 80s.
Andy_S wrote:Finally, of course, Changquan is one of the ancestors of Taiji, and Taiji is another art where combative application is intensely problematic. This makes me wonder whether Taiji has been let down by its own ancestry - ie was Changquan always an art that had very hidden application? - or is the de-martialization/hidden martialization of Changquan a relatively recent trend?
Given the above, anyone working to put a bit of fight back into the art is to be commended. Good luck!
Robert Young wrote:So, what you are trying to show is the ChangQuan practiced from Chinesa WuShu association?
nicklas wrote:Im going to select a bunch of moves from Cha (zha) Quan that are also in the standardized ChangQuan 1-7 and build the course around them.
Robert Young wrote:So, it is ChangQuan from New WuShu in China.
The reason I asked is that there is a northern CMA system called Chang Quan, or Long Fist. And, that is what I'm teaching. I simply wanted to clarify.
If I understand it right you are teaching long fist from the nanjing wushu institute?
extending the kick and kicking with out "telegraphing"
Andy_S wrote:
Finally, of course, Changquan is one of the ancestors of Taiji...
nicklas wrote:Even yin BaGua use to teach a lohan set as a foundation builder, and CQ is a great foundation builder.
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One of the great things about cq is just the extension of the libs, opening of the joints. Creating a long power over a short period of time. When you train its very clear where you are stiff, weak or having a bad technique.
chud wrote:...I've noticed over the years that when I have met someone whose Taiji looks really good to me, I usually find out after talking to them that they started out with LongFist as their first style. I've met too many people like that to ignore it. So I think you really made a good point when you said that it is a great foundation builder.
jonathan.bluestein wrote:I think the pictures looked very promising. It's great that you teach practical Long Fist. Not too common in the west. Most long fist is Wushu related.
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