liokault wrote:what Dan wants is to set the definition of IP. I don't see him wanting open discussion, I see him looking for more people who are prepared to listen to him.
Sean wrote:So, junglist, how do you determine who has knowledge and skill in this area? Who decides this and based upon what criteria?
chud wrote: Or got banned. I can think of 3 right off the top of my head.
junglist wrote:
But if you want to discuss some details about the process of learning bodyskill that's different from what modern Western athletics in an effort to progress, I also wouldn't want someone coming in with no knowledge or no skill to say "d00d, w3 d3w d4t in MMA cl4ss!".
ashe wrote:
anyone who got banned seldom contributed anything of worth to the overall discussion, sometimes for months before they got hammered.
ashe wrote: in the old days don bido wielded the ban hammer with an iron fist and struck like lightning, and that was when the forum was probably at it's peak in terms of quality of discussion.
liokault wrote:junglist wrote:Well, THAT'S the reason why he wants a private forum. He is NOT suggesting people to close their minds and to not question, you are free to do in the public forum.
Look at the Shenfa thread, what Dan wants is to set the definition of IP. I don't see him wanting open discussion, I see him looking for more people who are prepared to listen to him.
Sean wrote:So, junglist, how do you determine who has knowledge and skill in this area? Who decides this and based upon what criteria?
RobP2 wrote:junglist wrote:
But if you want to discuss some details about the process of learning bodyskill that's different from what modern Western athletics in an effort to progress, I also wouldn't want someone coming in with no knowledge or no skill to say "d00d, w3 d3w d4t in MMA cl4ss!".
Is that how MMA guys speak? I never knew
Would Mike sigman be allowed in?
To be honest I'd rather anyone who wants to know about the stuff I do just come and train with me or with any of the main guys, there is hardly a lack of opportunity. Getting involved in lengthy debates about ground paths, jins, is your leg bone connected to your hip bone and all the rest of it is not something I'd be interested in, even less so as a "private club" (ref Groucho Marx).
I'm happy to post clips / blogs and If anyone has a question about what I do I'll answer where I have the time - but for me this stuff is about feeling and doing not debating. Sharing information is one thing, anything you can do I can do better is something else
Dmitri wrote:liokault wrote:what Dan wants is to set the definition of IP. I don't see him wanting open discussion, I see him looking for more people who are prepared to listen to him.
The core of Dan's problem is that these open discussions are participated in by EVERYONE. Imagine someone who never sparred but read a lot about it would start arguing online with you about finer points of sparring... would you not get annoyed at some point, IF you wanted a serious discussion? Then they might accuse you of "wanting to set the definition of sparring", not wanting an "open discussion", etc. And then a couple years later you meet in person, and they can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag, and then suddenly EVERYTHING is crystal clear to everyone and there are no more arguments (unless they're on some serious denial trip...) So then another guy like that comes on into another online discussion with you about sparring -- and the two of you go same route. After many such experiences, would you not start to get tired and cautious of some complete strangers online talking, very probably, out of their ass about something they don't actually DO? See the parallel, the point I'm trying to make here?
I'm not saying a subforum on RSF is a good (fair to the mods) idea -- UNLESS the admins here, like Fong, who are keeping this place, lest we forget, free of ads and free to all, are directly interested in doing so/in such "indoors" discussions.But I do understand the logic/where Dan comes from, in that sense, as I mentioned above. Hope what I'm saying here makes some sense. He never said he was afraid of disagreement or not willing to argue/discuss -- he's just tired of all the noise.
From personal experience (and this was before he got so famous, with seminars and all ) -- he's an extremely open-minded guy and if he sees something of actual VALUE, he will at least look into it, with a possibility, if it's worth it, of incorporating it into his teaching or even training. Maybe all this international fame and glory changed him, -- it's possible I guess, as it's been a couple years now, but I very strongly doubt that.
Bodywork wrote:Fame and Glory? Where?
Unless you count all of us in a room making fun of each other and realizing that no one but us gives a shit about this stuff...as our glory!
In the end it makes us all better!
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