Mr_Wood wrote:Windwalker.
I don't for one minute doubt your experiences with LKJ. I am skeptical about all things until I have first hand experience with it, I have had none with LKJ so i remain a skeptic / none believer until I have.
That being said from what you have written so far I am curious as to what you see as the benefits / usefulness of this practice. You have written about people feeling nauseous and then we have heard about how people can be made to stumble a little and perhaps fall over. Are there any health benefits from the practice ? any healing ? For me this would seem a more worthwhile pursuit and use of time.
its good to be skeptical but still keep an open mind.
the practice itself tends to force one to have another outlook that would not otherwise be adopted.
for example if some one says not to use force, and then is able to do somthing from a distance there can be no doubt about what not using force means.
I have stressed all through this topic its really only part of a larger dynamic of movement.
weather touched or not the process is the same.In attempting to offer an explanation based on my present thoughts and experiences using some of the more learned people postings who post here
as a way of tying in what I felt and feel is happening. it didnt work out to well
in answer to your question, my own teacher at 93, does little healing work now.
in his earlier yrs, many people used to come to him for tui na, so many I am told that they used to sleep outside waiting for him to help them.
some one asked if I expected something different.
in a way yes,,,I did.
but then again, in china with the group I practice with many are from other CMA styles with many yrs of practice.
they stay because what they feel is so different they seek to understand and acquire some skill.
the teacher is not one for explaining things, preferring a hands on feel it type of approach
the many what if questions as in " what if I did this or that" are always answered by "try it "
gets pretty interesting at times.
having said this, even there it can get quite heated with people depending on their point of view
explaining things according to their understandings which tend to be as here either mechanistic or energetic
the teacher watching this would again come over and send one of them flying out with what seems to be just a touch
and then leave letting them think on what was just done.
even there with the teacher who could do these things, there where those that didn't quite feel what they felt was real
despite this they stay and practice trying to figure it out.
its that different, not just the no touch stuff that seems to illicit a lot of disbelief
the whole process is like that weather touched or not.