windwalker wrote:who was in charge?
who directed the arrest?
he died in an ambulance on the way to a hosp.
you mean the ambulance crew let him die?
Steve James wrote:windwalker wrote:who was in charge?
who directed the arrest?
he died in an ambulance on the way to a hosp.
you mean the ambulance crew let him die?
No, he was pronounced dead in the ambulance. The official cause was "homicide," not 'accidental,' not 'natural causes,' and not 'suicide.'
But, you ask now "Who was in charge?" What difference does that make if what happened before the incident had nothing to do with his death? Either it did or it didn't. The "died in the ambulance" isn't an excuse that would fly in a courtroom. The defendant would say, I hit him; but, he died in the ambulance.
6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.
As a result of Garner's death, four EMTs and paramedics who responded to the scene were suspended without pay on July 21, 2014;[17] officers Damico and Pantaleo were placed on desk duty, and Pantaleo was stripped of his service gun and badge.[18]
According to Police Commissioner Bill Bratton, an ambulance was immediately called to the scene and Garner was transported to Richmond University Medical Center. He went into cardiac arrest while he was in the vehicle and was pronounced dead approximately one hour later at the hospital.[37] A second video apparently taken by a bystander was later released that appears to show that Garner lay motionless and unresponsive for several minutes before an ambulance arrived.[21][38]
Garner's death was recorded by Ramsey Orta, a friend of Garner's.[2][39]
Israel Miranda, president of Local 27 of the Uniformed EMT and Paramedics, said that responding emergency personnel should have provided Garner with supplemental oxygen, even if he had a pulse. Miranda's union represents FDNY EMS personnel, but not RUMC EMTs.
Miranda made particular note of Garner's words to cops, captured on video, "I can't breathe! I can't breathe!"
Said Miranda, "Knowing that he's saying he's having trouble breathing, at this point, you're going to be giving him oxygen."
An EMT could also insert an airway tube into a patient's mouth that's attached to a bag to assist breathing.
One veteran EMS source questioned why the responding EMTs didn't bring any equipment when they arrived on the scene.
"She should have either put him on oxygen or put an airway in his mouth," the source said. "They were there for four and a half minutes and they did none of that."
The source also questioned the way the EMT looked for Garner's pulse, noting that a check near the carotid artery would be performed "to the left or the right of the trachea, not on the side of the neck."
Otherwise, the source said, "You're feeling your own pulse in your hand."
Grand jury rejects criminal charges in death of Robert Saylor, man with Down syndrome
Less than five miles from the theater where a man with Down syndrome died at the hands of the law enforcement officials he idolized, a grand jury on Friday heard the details of the case and decided that no crime had been committed.
“They felt no further investigation was necessary,” Frederick County State’s Attorney J. Charles Smith said at a news conference outside the county’s courthouse.
Grand jury proceedings are secretive in Maryland, but Smith said that his office presented the jury with 17 witness statements and that three deputies involved in the death — Lt. Scott Jewell, Sgt. Rich Rochford and Deputy First Class James Harris — all testified.
An attorney for the parents of Robert Ethan Saylor, who died at the age of 26, described their reaction as “extremely disappointed and saddened and concerned.”
“This is a really hard day for them,” attorney Sharon Krevor-Weisbaum said. “They’re going to have to digest this unsettling news and determine their next step.”
Nationally, the case has drawn wide attention from parents of children with Down syndrome and advocacy groups. More than 1,000 angry messages also fill the Facebook page of the Frederick County Sheriff’s Office.
Saylor was known for his hugs and was so fascinated with the police that he would sometimes call 911 just to ask a question.
In January, he and an aide watched “Zero Dark Thirty” at a Frederick movie theater. As soon as it ended, Saylor wanted to watch it again and would not leave the theater.
Officials say this is what happened next: The aide, an 18-year-old woman, was getting the car when a theater employee called the three off-duty officers, who were working security at the Westview Promenade shopping center, and told them that Saylor needed to buy another ticket or leave.
Smith, who would not go into great detail about the investigation, said that when the deputies confronted Saylor, he verbally and physically resisted their attempts to remove him. He said they restrained him using three sets of handcuffs because of his large size. Smith said that when the deputies placed Smith on his stomach, it was for “one to two minutes” and that once Saylor began showing signs of distress, the deputies removed the handcuffs, called for help and administered CPR.
Krevor-Weisbaum said that a witness heard Saylor cry out for his mother, who even though he didn’t know it, wasn’t far away. Alerted by someone to what was happening, Patti Saylor was on her way to the theater and was almost there, Krevor-Weisbaum said.
In February, the Chief Medical Examiner’s Office in Baltimore ruled Saylor’s death a homicide as a result of asphyxia. On Friday, Smith said that the report indicated that Down syndrome and obesity made Saylor more susceptible to breathing problems.
Krevor-Weisbaum said that Saylor had no ongoing health problems. She added that his parents had not seen the autopsy report, although they have requested it, along with all the files from the investigation. She said the family has been concerned that the investigation was handled by the same sheriff’s office that employs the deputies.
Since February, the deputies have been on paid administrative leave. An attorney for them said Friday that they welcomed the chance to testify and did so voluntarily.
“They’ve stood by patiently waiting for this day to come,” attorney Patrick J. McAndrew said. “This was an unfortunate set of circumstances. Each of these professionals, devoted law enforcement officers, did what was necessary under the circumstances, and they did what their training dictated that they do.”
Serpico: Incidents like Eric Garner's death drive wedge between police and society
Was I surprised by the Staten Island grand jury? Of course not. When was the last time a police officer was indicted?
This is the use of excessive force for no apparent reason on a guy who is selling loosie cigarettes; what is the threat to your well-being? If a police officer's life is in danger, he has every right to use every force in his means to defend himself.
In the old days, they used to put a gun or a knife on somebody after a shooting. Now they don't even bother.
But today, we have cops crying wolf all the time. They testify "I was in fear of my life," the grand jury buys it, the DA winks and nods, and there's no indictment.
I remember a guy I worked with back in the 81st Precinct, an ex-Marine named Murphy. He would not turn out for roll call until his shoes were spit-shined, and his uniform was creased.
One night, he was called to a family dispute. There was a man waiting behind the door, and he came out with a butcher knife and slashed Murphy's face.
Murphy could have emptied his gun in him. Instead, he disarmed the man and put him in cuffs. What's happening today in the performance of some officers can only be described as sheer cowardice. They don't belong in the uniform, and they shouldn't have weapons — whether they're cops or not.
I hear cops saying all the time — and they're proud of it — "shoot first, ask questions later."
They say, "It's my job to get home safe." Yes, but not at the cost of a human being who never posed a threat to you in the first place.
I called for, way back when before the Knapp Commission, for an independent investigative body. When I was testifying about police corruption, I saw very clearly how the DA can lead the grand jury in any direction they so desire.
A 'nervous' rookie cop, in a tragic misfire, fatally shot unarmed Akai Gurley without a word of warning in a Brooklyn housing project stairwell on Nov. 20.
The people want justice, and they need justice. And the police are supposed to be protecting their civil rights
Why would a kid in the inner city call a cop? When I was growing up, my mother would say "Any problem, call a cop." He would show up and assess the problem, and you wouldn't become the victim.
I want to be clear. I'm not talking about all police. There are plenty of good police, and I hear from them on a daily basis.
But the police are becoming our enemy, and society is becoming the enemy of the police.
Somebody with clear, objective and impartial thinking needs to come to their senses and find a solution.
Corruption-busting former NYPD Detective Frank Serpico, whose exploits were made into a best-selling book and a movie with Al Pacino, retired from the force in 1972.
I want to be clear. I'm not talking about all police. There are plenty of good police, and I hear from them on a daily basis.
But the police are becoming our enemy, and society is becoming the enemy of the police.
Black female Police sergeant Kizzy Adoni supervised the fatal arrest and on-scene medical treatment of Eric Garner. She testified “His condition did not seem serious and he did not appear to get worse.” as he lay on the sidewalk afterward. The guy wasn’t choked to death. It appears more likely he had a classic stressed-out fat man’s heart attack.
Read more at http://patdollard.com/2014/12/sgt-kizzy ... bEgXTqZ.99
Like the Father said, what are you supposed to do when someone says he can't breathe.
Having spent my entire career in patrol, I understand police culture and how patrol officers act and think. However, as a sergeant of police, I was expected to supervise, manage and control the field operations of the subordinate officers under my command. Being a supervisor in any profession requires one to be able and willing to make the tough and unpopular decisions; it goes along with the territory.
So then for a sergeant, and a black woman at that, to stand idly by and do nothing is egregious. Certainly, it is my hope that Commissioner Bratton takes a long, hard look at the activity of all of the other officers involved in the “wolf-packing” of Eric Garner as well as the failure to act on the part of that sergeant.
Read more at http://www.eurweb.com/2014/12/blackandb ... ErWuKYS.99
Teazer wrote:5% of arresting NYPD officers make 40% of all resisting arrest charges
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/06/1349810/-5-of-New-York-City-cops-make-40-of-all-resisting-arrest-charges
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