When you've been here some time, you start to question things, rather than just accept it "as the way it is".
you've said in several posts you question the amount of time I've spent in China.
johnwang wrote:In all those challenge clips, why don't we see any "jump up and down" effect (such as shown in the following clip)? Are those guys skill level too low?
windwalker wrote:johnwang wrote:In all those challenge clips, why don't we see any "jump up and down" effect (such as shown in the following clip)? Are those guys skill level too low?
http://practicalmethod.com/2015/02/about-challenges/
because it was not shown dosent mean it didnt happen.
dspyrido wrote:windwalker wrote:johnwang wrote:In all those challenge clips, why don't we see any "jump up and down" effect (such as shown in the following clip)? Are those guys skill level too low?
http://practicalmethod.com/2015/02/about-challenges/
because it was not shown dosent mean it didnt happen.
Are you saying that if Ms Bian had a strong aggresive attacker go for a take down he would bounce and hop away like this? Or would we just see a repeat of this?
http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=23902&start=0&sid=37147d90ccaa16073004d38563f9bfc5
windwalker wrote:
I am saying anyone who wants to know should find out for themselves.
Instead of making uninformed comments they would have first hand knowledge.
The real question, can any of those asking do what is shown by Ms Bian?
dspyrido wrote:windwalker wrote:
I am saying anyone who wants to know should find out for themselves.
Instead of making uninformed comments they would have first hand knowledge.
The real question, can any of those asking do what is shown by Ms Bian?
When the bouncing starts ms bian is not doing anything so... yes I can do nothing.
So my sense is:
(1) They are real masters demonstrating the principle of a real kind of unusual force, but it is one that is not directly applicable to combat the way it is demonstrated; or
(2) They are dolts who are deluded/deluding themselves; or
(3) In some cases, both of the above may apply - particularly if masters spend decades teaching and demoing, and lose the sense or ability to react to real incoming force.
You think the video is a fake, do you?
For those who are sceptical of the pushing hand and striking hand videos, I absolutely understand where you are coming from and of your scepticism. Since you have not had the pleasure of doing power push hand with any one of us, your opinion is obvious and totally expected.
But, wouldn't you rather have much more solid opinion of what we do, after having a direct experience with 'dynamic' power push hand? Wouldn't that add a certain credibility to your sceptical criticism? If someone were to ask you of your scepticism and based on what evidences, how will you answer it? Because what? Because of what you happen to perceive...? What logical explanation do you have for your scepticism?
What...because what we do doesn't seem to jive with the law of physics? How do you know? Do you think you are more scientifically knowledgeable than my students who have Ph. D. in nuclear physics and string theory physics? You find it ridiculous because of the nonsensical bouncing of the person getting pushed? What makes you think that you won't bounce as ridiculously as well?
And from what I can see of it, the photo Windy posted - of Chen Zhonghua bouncing someone up and away - looks more like a teaching or demo situation than a combative situation. Chen DOES mention sending a guy flying in one of his clips, and says it was filmed but (1) until that clip is posted we will not know what he did; and (2) it is not clear that the guy was "bounced" up, up and away - he could well have been thrown or projected in a way we can all clearly understand.)
FYI, there is a series of clips of some very senior Chinese Taiji masters pushing against one another in Beijing in the 1980s. Among them are several who do these kinds of bouncing demos. Not a single one of of them was able to pull these bouncy skills off against a resisting opponent
As for the Beijing masters PH meet in the 1990s, perhaps "resisting" was the wrong word. To restate: They were not able to bounce out opponents who were competing against them, which was very different to the reactions of their students or polite strangers in cooperative demo formats. Fair enough?
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