RobP2 wrote:Bodywork wrote:Sure and I even embarrassingly cross referenced another thread by mistake... duh!
But I only mentioned it is not THE INTERNAL figure eight. I never discussed: the quality of what you were doing, or you as a person, your motivation for posting, your background, claim you are only fishing for students blah blah blah. In fact I refused to do so. Stranger still is that for many reasons, I like systema and support it. But... we all read the result.
No, but you have said in the recent past systema is not a Russian martial art, one of my teachers is a liar, you can "take apart" systema guys with ease, "Fig 8" guys have no power etc etc. Water off a ducks back, but let's be consistent shall we?
I said those in Russia.. in the Russian arts, said that.. They also said Systema isn't old either. Ryobkov invented it. Vlad has answered direct questions on this with teachers. What's the big deal? He rocks and the art is solid.
Systema, like any art, is only as combatively viable as any single person makes it. Personally I think Systema is way bigger than hand to hand combat. Which was Vlads answer to five teachers that I took apart. And Again you misquote me. I said what I did. Taking apart 5 people is not saying I can take apart... systema teachers.
No art can be judged by a small segment of practitioners. I am informed there are some very capable men who are good at hand to hand in systema, others are not. What else is new. Also as Vlad said... you should focus on the complete art, not the components.
I know never said figure eight guys have no power since there is no such thing as figure eight guys to begin with.
External figure eight movement is not As powerful or disruptive but so what? Fighting is fighting and an external guy will kick the shit out an internal guy I'd the latter can't fight.
Last as it still evades what was evaded...
No one addressed WHAT I said did they? Why?
Because you and all the others didn't know, and still don't know what an internal figure eight movement is. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But that was my only point going in.
I'm not going to comment on the video accept to say there is a figure eight model is for a continuous circle (spiral, really) to be occurring -within- the body without a change or stopping point. Albeit empty hand or continuous cutting with weapons, it is a powerful tool. Many have heard of it and talked about it. It is VERY difficult to do and requires certain body parts to be highly trained. This video has nothing to do with that saught after skill.
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