Yes it is bleeding into many TMA and to me that is sad because it changes them to something they are not.
MikeC wrote:Personally, I think MMA has been the best thing to happen to the martial arts world in a long time. Kind of a wake up call IMHO.
Mike
CaliG wrote:Yes it is bleeding into many TMA and to me that is sad because it changes them to something they are not.
I think it's okay for someone to know and do more than one style but if they teach I think they should separate them and keep them as they were meant to be for teaching purposes.
On the other hand on the street does it matter what style the technique came from that wins the fight? I suppose not which is probably why people have no problems creating hybrid styles.
The point I'm trying to make isn't actually MMA vs. TMA as much as questioning the influence of MMA on the martial arts community as a whole.
I myself cross train in grappling and I've also added boxing drills to my training routine so I definately see the benefits of studying and doing more than one style but I've also noticed that a lot of TMA schools have jumped on the MMA bandwagon and teach everything under the sun.
As I mentioned before what works works, so I can understand the benefits in terms of self-defense on the other hand I've noticed that some of these schools will go as far as teaching boxing, kali, judo and aikido in one class in which case I can't imagine the student is actually going to retain anything useful.
Obviously people can do and will do what they want to do, this is just something I've noticed has changed in the US in the last few years.
kenneth delves wrote:The popular sport'arts, TKD, Judo, WuShu, Boxing, where people are involved for 5-10 years are supported by a network of competitions, social activities etc.
shenme wrote:MikeC wrote:Personally, I think MMA has been the best thing to happen to the martial arts world in a long time. Kind of a wake up call IMHO.
Mike
I think it could be/should be but in many cases it isn’t.
Many TMA people resort to the; MMA has rules and TMA has none so TMA is better for fighting and leave it at that and go on fooling themselves that what they train is effective, better, more dangerous, etc. and maybe in some cases it is but not in most IMO. But on the other hand you get into the proof of concept stuff and pressure testing from the MMA camp and you end up in an argument and nothing gets accomplished.
And to clarify my original post about philosophy, I do not mean to say that MMA would not be effective, it most certainly would it is just a difference in philosophy that is all. I do feel that many MMA schools train hard, very hard, as TMA use to and in some, but few cases, still does. But I would rather see many TMA style revert to the hard training they use to do instead of incorporating MMA. But if that is their choice and that is what they want to do more power to them, it just is no longer the original TMA.
Hell if a day was 36 hours long or if I didn't have to work I would go train at the local MMA school too, but it would be MMA and I would not try and combine it with my Taiji and call it taiji or combine it with my (beginner stages) of XIngyiquan and call it XIngyiquan. But I would like to add the few opportunities I have had to talk to real MMA people they all seemed rather interested in the CMA I train or have trained.... an anything that can help them win kind of interest.
MikeC wrote:Why wouldn't you try and combine them? Martial arts is about fighting, not about which style you do...
shenme wrote:MikeC wrote:Why wouldn't you try and combine them? Martial arts is about fighting, not about which style you do...
Because there are not 36 hours in a day and I still have to work
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