windwalker wrote:Yea it's always about "us lot" being starved if authentic CMA and what we have been exposed to or not. pretty much always. It's 2017.
Show me the video of TCMA lineages training their stuff on padwork that's in any way comparable to what I'm talking about and then let's see them fight with it just like boxers, sanda MMA, MT etc do.
check out the clip
http://www.chrisheintzmankungfu.com/wp- ... 00.mp4?_=1
shows the pad work you asked about.
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Mike one of my first teachers trained under Gorge Long, "white crane" and David Chin. "lama hop gar"
He along with another teacher Gary Fung taught at a small gym in the city long ago.
Gary would later go on to prep for a full contact match of the day....Hop Gar was and is considered a "fighting" style
In the 70s there wasn't so much ground work. Times changeIf so why go up against trained fighters and embarrass your whole fucking art. So let's stop excusing the deluded please and call a spade a spade. At least leave it to someone who has thrown a punch in anger before. If I see too many more of these video I'll have a damn coronary David.
The teacher in question made a mistake as many do.
take care my friend,
I really get what your saying.
David, I don't need you to prove to me that some Chinese lines train with pads and sparring. Really?
Those clips look like they are from Western schools anyway, where those clips filmed in China ?
Guess they were harder to find then.
Of course those guys exist in China too. One of my favourite groups for example is the Yao brothers.
The Yiquan lineages, in general, don't worry about evolving and borrowing and going the Sanda route - whether method or technique. The kind of thing they do with boxing is right up my street - for example. But that's me. That's more "my style" - amongst other things.
In many ways I follow a JKD type ethos, were I think BL was updating an ethos and philosophy that Wang Xian Zhai expoused too. And I beleive that philosophy is just as traditional and older than him than the "cultural purism" of other TCMA people. There's room for different style in TCMA. I think trying to characterize TCMA as being one type of recognisable thing in a fight is pretty silly and naive.
For instance some might claim TCMA has a certain strategy and tactics that must be present to characterize it, or claimed as much to me yesterday. Really?
I think these kind of pride and culture about something like this is as much part of the problem as some people being deluded about their training.
Then there's the fact that so many don't train that well anyway despite how they think of it.. That's ok, I really have time for martial arts as lifestyle thing. A road for other things in life beside fighting. I would hope I don't have to convince you or other here on that score.
However without a good balance or some sanity to go with it, it's just a sham that lets everyone down ultimately. I think that's where we are.
It certainly isn't all bad; I could reel off a good list of CMA groups and martial artists that I have loads of time and appreciation for.
Some might use pads regularly, some not so regularly. It's not a problem for me personally, for me individual goals matter more as teachers and students all have to find what they want to spend their time on.
have you heard about Lau Gar in the UK?
They were huge in the UK kickboxing scene when it broke here - before my time. But they led the way and produced a load of tough and respected fighters. Jeremy Lau teached traditional Kung Fu but adapted it to that venue - it's just what happens, the results are simply what happens when you do that. It's not a fucking lack of exposure or any other bollocks. Neither does the more "traditional" stuff dissapear in a puff of smoke.. But that maybe another story.
Here's a UK fighter in MMA who is a product of that KF line and Jeremy Lau in the UK, he's pretty good at fighting. Just a bit.