marvin8 wrote:You have brought up that I am not using your words and taking your words out of context. So, I am asking again, because I don't want you to think I was trying to twist your words.
I appreciate your effort of not trying to twist my words.
But, I've responded to you. Several times with the same thing.
You have to completely separate my answer to the question of "what is the difference of Shoulder Roll and Rollback?"
from your later hypothetical questions.
You keep tying my earlier answer about
“difference” to another hypothetical question that I did not choose to answer.
Mixing that earlier answer to a question it was not intended for allows for misunderstandings.
That matters greatly to me.
“Miss by an inch, lose by a mile.”
The reason I never intended to answer your hypothetical question-- in words on a page is, it can lead to the rabbit hole of hypothetical one-upmanship.
“Well if you did this, I’d do this.”
“Really? Well…I’d do this then.” And etc., etc.
I believe--in order to properly answer your theoretical questions about replying to a 3 punch combo--that with words alone I cannot answer it. My words have to be tied to real actions that can be personally felt by you.
Internet posts and books and videos can be great supplemental learning tools—
However, as of yet, I do not think they supply the full answer.
The kind of answer you would get from feeling a live teaching response to your 3 punch combo.
For instance:
The catching of all 3 punches is key to learning how to defend a 3 punch combo using the shoulder roll. Look how many times Mayweather has to tell this kid just to do one catch and roll.
https://youtu.be/B94a6QrNerg?t=4m19sAnd even when the kid kinda does what Mayweather asks, he still didn’t fully understand. And, that’s live person to person transmission. Imagine how that would be with words on a page.
That kid might read words on a page and think “oh, I get it. I understand shoulder roll.”
No, he doesn’t. He will not truly get it until learns from a competent teacher and hours of practice until he can do it countless times under pressure from a live opponent.
As far as your persistent harp about a 1.5 second combo.
I'm of a similar mind as Mayweather on this.
https://youtu.be/OHaUMGjDRWA?t=28s**********
But, I can offer a way for you to maybe see,
or to possibly get an idea of how RollBack could have been used in a real fight.
This is in no way a perfect illustration of Rollback.or where it could be used.
I only offer it because you badgered the shit out of me.
We should see from this still that the Taiji Guy is not moving with the direction & time with Xu’s Left punch.
Before Xu's left punch lands on his shoulder Taiji Guy's left shoulder should be retreat.
His right shoulder should be advanced.
That would have lined-up his body and hands with the direction of the punch.
Giving Taiji Guy position to have more options to perform RollBack, (or whatever).
I.e., the
possibility of one hand at Xu's wrist, the other at his elbow.
The rotation, the touching done all as one move, one motion.
So, for me, his timing is way late & his direction is way off.
There’s also other options he could do from the position he is in, in that picture, but I don’t want to waste page space to point them all out.
You can really see his timing off in the gif above.
Xu’s probes with his left. Taiji guy doesn’t move.
In fact, Xu's left hand lands on Taiji Guy's arm before he reacts to it. That’s late.
I’d prefer him to react in that brief gap before Xu’s feet land on the ground
and before Xu's left hand touches his arm.
If he had moved in proper time with Xu’s left, there were options there.
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Here’s where a
nudge could have helped Taiji Guy.
focus on Xu's right punch.
If Taiji Guy nudges Xu’s right shoulder or elbow in the direction of momentum that the 2nd punch is traveling,
Xu would need extra steps to stay balanced.
He would end up with extra steps like the boxer in the GIF below.
At the very least, it would have given Taiji Guy a window of opportunity to circle behind, do another move, or increase the distance between them.
I did not say this is a fight ender.
It is
Just an example of where a person could have applied one option (nudge) within Rollback.
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Here is a person with better timing
and really good skill
at following (and nudging) his opponents direction of momentum.
And, then using the opponents momentum to his advantage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIPcM2mdowgAt the start of the fight the guy with the helmet tries to kick the old man.
Notice the old man changes position in that brief gap before the kick lands. And his left hand nudges the kickers shoulder.
He does it effectively 3 times.
Each time Helmet guy starts an attack, the Old Man finishes it.
By giving him, trouble in the direction of the intended attack.
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