
Steve James wrote:Well, if you mean there's a map for jab, cross, hook, uppercut, etc., it exists because the map just marks out directions of force. But, what I meant was that no tcc practitioner is required to follow any map at all, from the tcc form or from anywhere else. Tcc is in the service of the practitioner, not the other way around. Though, I appreciate the efforts of those who want to preserve tradition for tradition's sake.
But, I agree entirely with your sentiments.
cloudz wrote:wayne hansen wrote:https://www.facebook.com/groups/xingyi/permalink/10155347428001248/
Yea dude, but didn't you notice all the "typical boxing and kickboxing" in there.
tut tut![]()
Is it any wonder TCMA is vanishing up it's own butt with so many of those kind of attitudes around, including the ones Dave Chesser mentions.
He's bang on and the tale has been told so often on forums like this, it's getting older than you Wayne!![]()
Can you call that Hsingyi - what was your comment earlier "just don't call it tai chi.."
So when you cross train in TSD and FMA, you afford yourself the same standard and privelage that you offer other cross trainers ?
Bruce, you've dropped some sweet prose on this thread, so thank you. It's nice to hear from progressive Tai Chi people around here. It's like a breath of fresh air man!
johnwang wrote:I think to have Taiji fighting skill/ability is more important than to master the whole Taiji system.
- If you can use "cloud hand" to take down everybody on this planet, even if that's the only Taiji skill you have mastered, nobody on earth will say you are not a good Taiji master.
- Even if you have mastered the whole Taiji system, if you can't handle a 6 months boxer, nobody will call you a Taiji master.
wayne hansen wrote:cloudz wrote:wayne hansen wrote:https://www.facebook.com/groups/xingyi/permalink/10155347428001248/
Yea dude, but didn't you notice all the "typical boxing and kickboxing" in there.
tut tut![]()
Is it any wonder TCMA is vanishing up it's own butt with so many of those kind of attitudes around, including the ones Dave Chesser mentions.
He's bang on and the tale has been told so often on forums like this, it's getting older than you Wayne!![]()
Can you call that Hsingyi - what was your comment earlier "just don't call it tai chi.."
So when you cross train in TSD and FMA, you afford yourself the same standard and privelage that you offer other cross trainers ?
Bruce, you've dropped some sweet prose on this thread, so thank you. It's nice to hear from progressive Tai Chi people around here. It's like a breath of fresh air man!
Before I learned those other things I was well versed in tai chi and didn't deviate from that path
I trained with others to get exposed to good teachers they were few and far between in the 70's
I learnt an entire system ,I am talking about those that never get far enough into a system before going on another path.
Sure I notice the boxing and kickboxing in their art but all those techniques exist within tai chi and hsing I
Anyone who puts on gloves goes outside of a barehanded art and must learn to punch in a modified way
If I had met the tai chi teachers I know today I would have had no need to seek other arts/teachers
The thing I see today is people who aren't very deep into there art and run to the latest fad to cover their own shortcomings
Train whatever you like but if the other arts overshadow the art you advertise be honest and call it by its real name
Steve James wrote:Sorry to hear about the problems, but I know lots of tcc people who've competed in open competitions long before EF, RSF or the internet. Actually, I only learned about truly non-martial, as opposed to ineffectual, tcc was after people had pcs at home.
I've never tried to convince anyone what real tcc was. It is what they make it. I don't complain if they don't see it my way. But, I'm glad if people are happy that now everyone's seen the light.
That's why tcc so well represented since PCs came on the scene, right? C'mon now.
johnwang wrote:The fake fight also happened in Taiwan. When I took my SC team to compete in Taiwan back in 1984. During the 1st tournament in Kaohsiung, Taiwan, I also got on the mat and compete myself. When I attacked, I could sense my opponent's defense was strong. Suddenly, I felt my opponent's defense was gone. I could enter and threw him down almost effortless. I then realized that the Taiwan SC team wanted me to win (because I was the team leader of the US team). After I had won that match, I no longer competed myself. I don't like fake match even if my opponent wants to let me win. To me, it's a personal insult.
This clip states a lot of interested view points. Do you agree, or disagree?
Stillness wrote:I am sure of is that after this, Tai chi teachers will probably take a different route of training if their students want to learn Tai chi for self defence.
In a way, this is a good thing. It may be a wake up call to lot's of tai chi practitioners.
johnwang wrote: If all your students are "tree buggers", you will be hopeless.
BruceP wrote:johnwang wrote: If all your students are "tree buggers", you will be hopeless.
How could that be a typo?
4. hook punch - twin peaks to the ear, striking tiger,
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