Appledog wrote:Maarteen with all due respect what does rope pulling, tree hitting, throwing blind techniques (ala 3rd video) and pulling people off-balance have to do with internal martial arts?
Appledog wrote:Maybe what I need is to practice this kind of rope pulling and tree hitting myself for a couple of months and see what I get out of it.
dspyrido wrote:Appledog wrote:Maarteen with all due respect what does rope pulling, tree hitting, throwing blind techniques (ala 3rd video) and pulling people off-balance have to do with internal martial arts?
Perhaps nothing. Perhaps everything. In the end it depends on what the term internal really means.
For example is yielding internal? If so then a good wrestler is also an internal master because they also get sensitivity, leverage & moving people into gaps. But I would go further. Who needs 4 ounces when zero ounces works even better (eg duck). So technically a more softer internal method is what a boxer might do.
Is internal about throwing chi balls? To date the record for this has been very poor so lets move on.
Is it about taking balance and control? Ask any judoka about that and it won't be very different.
The only thing I have seen that is internal is the use of a connected whole body, structured right, without major tension blocks and is fluid . This get's applied on a highly leveraged position done either slow, light, fast, sharp etc.
Donn F. DraegerAppledog wrote:Maybe what I need is to practice this kind of rope pulling and tree hitting myself for a couple of months and see what I get out of it.
From what I have seen this is a secret of internal stylists who could deliver the goods. Go out and show people a form and do push hands paying close attention to structure & sensitivity. Then behind closed doors lift weights using the whole body and the right structure, pull ropes or whatever and hit things. The bones get denser and the tendons get stronger. When working heavy weight in a fluid fashion you need to use the whole body or else the limbs won't be enough.
Then when doing gentle push hands in a soft fashion there is a roaring powerhouse that is backing it up. People go flying and think that it was all because of a form but that was one part of the picture.
MaartenSFS wrote:Trick, the weight-lifting was always there, but it's things like training with weapons, shaking heavy poles or holding bricks in your hands when you train. It's really tiring and I can understand why most wouldn't want to train that way when they can achieve invincible power without breaking a sweat..
C.J.W. wrote:On the topic of fajin, my view is in line with that of my Bagua teacher: "Focus on developing hunyuan li, and fajin will come naturally."
The idea is that once you've acquired hunyuan lie (i.e.,whole-body power) and a stable structure that is internally connected, fajin is just a matter of "accelerating" that structure.
The speed at which you accelerate is what makes the difference between a push that launches the opponent away -- but causes little damage -- and an inch-punch that breaks bones.
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