Appledog wrote:wayne hansen wrote:I know you won't teach us but how about you put up some film so we can see your expetise
Are you looking to see expertise or looking for ammo to discredit what I said? You said "I won't teach you", but what did I say? I said the info was posted but people don't want to read it. What's the problem with what I posted in the op and follow-ups above? Don't you have any comment on what Chen Wei-Ming wrote? On weight training or rope pulling? It seems no comments have been made about the contents of Chen Yanlin's book, or the tai chi classics, nor anything I wrote about other training methods. That would be interesting. If you want to see expertise in a video there's a couple of Wu Tunan spilling the beans demonstrating some secret forms, and there's one of Yang Shao-Chung too, doing secret forms, in a videotape that was apparently stolen from the Yang family. Lots of stuff like that -- if that is what you are looking for.
Videos aside this is a discussion of push hands and I've quoted some uncomfortable truths from some very authentic family manuals, which seem to show that what is practiced today is very different from 70 and 100 years ago. I've also thrown about terms like "authorized to teach". That pisses people off because it's true, not because I am making stuff up You can read the books yourself. So asking after a video of me is pointless, you might as well ask after a video of anyone, it won't change what's written. I think though that if you are looking for ammo here the fact that I don't represent the Yang family and that I have no transmission from anyone is much more important than whether or not you can see me in a video or if I could fight. In that sense I am in the same boat as many people here. I just happen to have more experience with certain things, and more trust in the classics than most people. I totally get that a lot of people gave up and now look upon people like me as living in a dreamworld. But from my position they look like failures. I suppose that is why people are so interested in seeing videos but I am not interested in seeing videos at all.
Appledog wrote:.. they end up going through 3 or 4 sifus before they find someone that can actually teach the art.
Many people who get baishi'd into a lineage eventually drop out because they could never really understand what push hands was all about.
It is fair to expect that if you ask someone to teach you about tai chi, that you get the same experience with tai chi that they got, in order for you to reach the same level of skill and experience they did.
BruceP wrote:I figured everyone here would be smart enough to know a rhetorical question when they see one. Maybe too many at once? *shrug*
And yes some of this stuff is stuff it will take me about 2 years to work out.
My teachers told me to come back to them after that.
Appledog wrote:I'm not so sure.
Maybe it is your problem, to a degree. At the very least if you can't make significant amounts of time to practice I would say it's entirely your (our/my/etc) fault. Look at people who practice instruments. It's the people who pull 40 hours a week that turn pro and play in orchestras (or get famous). So there are people out there who practice other things daily, for extended periods of time. I don't think this is any different.
I seem to recall Eddie Wu worked as an engineer for a couple of years.. So maybe I don't need to pull them out of school, maybe...
charles wrote:Regarding some of your other points, how do you feel about Chen Fake's skills? Rumour has it he wasn't too bad at Taijiquan. He was known to practice the long pole extensively. Where does that fit into your theories about training with a terminus point?
Once you understand the internal mechanic, you can practice with weights and possibly with a terminus point but it would depend on what your doing.
Long pole aside Chen Fa-Ke was said to be practicing continuously.
So shaking the long pole would be fine for him, playing with a stone ball, iron locks, etc. would be fine for him, but I wouldn't recommend it to someone just starting out.
charles wrote:Did anyone in this - or other - discussion suggest that someone just starting out in Taijiquan training should be shaking a long pole or playing with a stone ball? I'd recommend against it, and have stated so in this very forum.
wayne hansen wrote:If you don't do all you have learnt on a daily basis what is the point of learning it
If you have too much to practice each day you have learnt too much for your dedication
Appledog wrote:
You are absolutely right. After all, "a theory is a tested, well-substantiated, unifying explanation for a set of verified, proven factors."
But in the light it was intended, mind if I ask what your comment is intended to show? If this is just a theory, is it just a theory to you then? You know, it says in these manuals, you shouldn't be so picky who you push with. I have met a lot of people just like you over the decades, less than 1% of the Tai Chi population, and due to the insularity it creates there is often a highly reserved attitude towards pushing hands with others, who tend to get viewed as outsiders/beginners. This is a detrimental attitude. I'm speaking from experience here, the fact it is written down in manuals is another thing. But if you want to talk about what is written down in manuals what precisely do we mean by trying to show it is "just" a theory?
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