wayne hansen wrote:For a start it wasn't 4 oz that is just a western approximation of the Chinese measurement
The 4 oz is on the receivers side on hitting you are meant to add the attackers thousand pounds to your 4 oz
As was quoted from CTH on another thread
To leave anything out makes you a cripple
Never heard that one before Niall but it says it all
Bao wrote:Who ever said anything about using 4 oz against a bag or use it to punch someone? 4 oz principle is one way you can deal with incoming force, like handling a body's weight or a fist.
Bao wrote:4 oz principle dealing with incoming force and good punching power to demolish someone's face, do you see them as mutually exclusive? Why not have both?
everything wrote: You just want to show your daughter and her friends some stuff and give them basic skills.
They don't care what you call it.
everything wrote:yeah very true, agree with you guys.
actually the "self defense" skill I use every week that I want my kids to learn is defensive driving / emergency manuever / awareness type skill. there are some good courses out there that teach recovery from skids, etc.
driving around many crazy or unaware or on-their-phones people (everyone else hahaha) is a daily occurrence here in the southeast USA.
everything wrote:awareness type skill...
johnwang wrote:When US attacked Iraq, US did not wait for Iraq's missile to fly over and then shot it down. US attacked Iraq in such a way that Iraq could not send his missile out (if they had missile that can shot to US mainland). Apparently US did not apply Taiji principle, Why?
When your opponent punch you with 1000 lb, you also have 2 ways to deal with it.
1. Use 4 oz force to redirect it.
2. us 50 lb force to hurt his arm so he can't punch you any more.
Again, 2 > 1
I prefer to train my CMA and be strong as US. I don't want to train my CMA and be weak as Iraq.
everything wrote:Still haven't thrown out the 4 oz ideal enough. Suppose you teach your 20 year old daughter and her friends "women's self defense" (not meant to be sexist but in this example, it is her and her other female friends). Perhaps you show them lots of knees and elbows maybe like this:
They don't have time to contemplate 4 oz, 1 oz, 1 lb, 8 lbs or learn a bunch of philosophy. Whatever we have left of "taijiquan" if we say this shell of taijiquan is not taijiquan has some good stuff for this class (which is not an "art" class). Can the MA portion of the class be taijiquan (plus some ground work)-based?
johnwang wrote:everything wrote:awareness type skill...
2 weeks ago I took my wife to Renaissance festival in San Luis Obispo, CA. She bought a necklace that has a 3 inch blade in it. I then realized that she had a
- spikes ring on her finger.
- spikes bracelet on her wrist.
- spikes knuckle on her key chain.
- pepper spray and electric stun gun in her purse.
My wife is fully armed. Anybody tries to mess with her will be sorry. This is why she and I are married. We both don't belong to the main stream.
Bao wrote:johnwang wrote:When US attacked Iraq, US did not wait for Iraq's missile to fly over and then shot it down. US attacked Iraq in such a way that Iraq could not send his missile out (if they had missile that can shot to US mainland). Apparently US did not apply Taiji principle, Why?
When your opponent punch you with 1000 lb, you also have 2 ways to deal with it.
1. Use 4 oz force to redirect it.
2. us 50 lb force to hurt his arm so he can't punch you any more.
Again, 2 > 1
I prefer to train my CMA and be strong as US. I don't want to train my CMA and be weak as Iraq.
Why don't the US just bomb the whole Iraq and Afghanistan? Then US don't need to have intelligence to take care of terrorists in the US. In your view, US should not have intelligence, because that's a soft defensive skill. The US should just nuke every country that could be a potential threat, Afghanistan, the Arab Emirates, South Korea. Just nuke them all. You want the US to be strong, not show itself week. But somehow, the US don't agree with your philosophy and tend to focus more on defensive military strategy than attack.
Again, why do you need to chose this or that? Why not, just like the strong US military, have different strategies for different situations, instead of just relying on one? Tai Chi usually consider both of the side of the coins. There's attack first, and then there's something else you can use. If you don't like the word defense, you can see it as secondary method. Maybe just in case your timing is off and you screw up. No one is perfect, everyone make mistakes. And IME, reality tend to screw with us in the most unpredictable ways.
Trick wrote:johnwang wrote:everything wrote:awareness type skill...
2 weeks ago I took my wife to Renaissance festival in San Luis Obispo, CA. She bought a necklace that has a 3 inch blade in it. I then realized that she had a
- spikes ring on her finger.
- spikes bracelet on her wrist.
- spikes knuckle on her key chain.
- pepper spray and electric stun gun in her purse.
My wife is fully armed. Anybody tries to mess with her will be sorry. This is why she and I are married. We both don't belong to the main stream.
Your wife don't do Jiao Shuai I once visited One of the grand old gongfu masters home in Dalian. He spoke gongfu skill should very much be hidden as, then he showed me an old fly-whisk with a very sharp pointed top hidden in the whisk, a traditional long smoking pipe all made of copper, a fan with metal frame which had all sharp pointed tips. One of his students (my YTJQ teacher) have a couple of walking sticks which hide a long sharp pointed steel blade he say might will come to use when he gets older.
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