jaime_g wrote:Very interesting stuff coming from Rickson
For example, Pedro Sauer does this:
IMO any internal guy worth his salt should be able to do this in the ground. It is my default tactic in closed guard.
Trick wrote:?? Isn't the BJJ method based on JJJ or early Judo. Are these skills really news, I mean isn't this somewhat the meaning of the name JuJutsu?
Ian wrote:jaime_g wrote:Very interesting stuff coming from Rickson
For example, Pedro Sauer does this:
IMO any internal guy worth his salt should be able to do this in the ground. It is my default tactic in closed guard.
I can get white belts with no training to do this in about five minutes. Not sure what this has to do with 'internal'.
GrahamB wrote:Ian wrote:jaime_g wrote:Very interesting stuff coming from Rickson
For example, Pedro Sauer does this:
IMO any internal guy worth his salt should be able to do this in the ground. It is my default tactic in closed guard.
I can get white belts with no training to do this in about five minutes. Not sure what this has to do with 'internal'.
Have to agree with Ian.
(Although I have a rye smile for the direction of any thread on RSF towards... ----> 'OK, then, what is "internal"?' )
I can get white belts with no training to do this in about five minutes. Not sure what this has to do with 'internal'.
Over long years I've come to the conclusion that labels for martial arts exist in the world because they do matter. If they didn't matter (to whatever extent) then they wouldn't exist.
I think BJJ and Judo have the potential for being in the middle of the scale - some Jin usage. Often this is what you see termed as 'invisible jiujitsu'. I think that's exactly what you need for groundwork (and for fighting generally) - beyond that it's a case of returns vs time spent. If you want to make your living as a pianist you don't need to become a master of the very hardest pieces of classical music. It's almost irrelevant. Of course, if you want to devote your life to it then, it's your life and it's a world of discovery.
I was reading recently (not my idea) that the best way to view it is a sliding scale of 1 to 10 for 'how internal is this?' - from just using local muscle on the left (0-1), through to external martial arts in the middle (5) that use Jin (ground force) to some extent, to internal martial arts at the end (10 being the highest) that use full dantien control of movement.
I think BJJ and Judo have the potential for being in the middle of the scale - some Jin usage. Often this is what you see termed as 'invisible jiujitsu'. I think that's exactly what you need for groundwork (and for fighting generally) - beyond that it's a case of returns vs time spent. If you want to make your living as a pianist you don't need to become a master of the very hardest pieces of classical music. It's almost irrelevant. Of course, if you want to devote your life to it then, it's your life and it's a world of discovery.
GrahamB wrote:Over long years I've come to the conclusion that labels for martial arts exist in the world because they do matter. If they didn't matter (to whatever extent) then they wouldn't exist.
I was reading recently (not my idea) that the best way to view it is a sliding scale of 1 to 10 for 'how internal is this?' - from just using local muscle on the left (0-1), through to external martial arts in the middle (5) that use Jin (ground force) to some extent, to internal martial arts at the end (10 being the highest) that use full dantien control of movement.
I think BJJ and Judo have the potential for being in the middle of the scale - some Jin usage. Often this is what you see termed as 'invisible jiujitsu'. I think that's exactly what you need for groundwork (and for fighting generally) - beyond that it's a case of returns vs time spent. If you want to make your living as a pianist you don't need to become a master of the very hardest pieces of classical music. It's almost irrelevant. Of course, if you want to devote your life to it then, it's your life and it's a world of discovery.
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