Hey Graham,
Thanks for the examples.
I'm talking specifically about dantien controlled movement.
I understand. But, when judging Yang Jun you clarified your statement with his "arms moving separately to body"
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GrahamB wrote:The subject is complicated because people like Chen Xiao Wang can do it so "small" that it doesn't even look like dantien controlled movement anymore. But generally, in most cases, and in most people it's visible - so long as they're not trying to deliberately hide it.
So for example, if you look at 2.47, after the move White Crane, Yang Jun moves his arms back to set up the Brush knee - that's just his arms moving, not his arms being moved from the lower body and dantien control (really it's those two things together forming a unit - the dantien and legs - that you want powering movement).
In the example you posted I thought Yang Jung just made a small movement to transition to Brush Knee. A similar small movement like Chen Xiao Wang.
To be sure, I went to see how Yang Jun taught White Crane - Brush Knee transition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyH5bDsJfuEGrahamB wrote:Contrast that to the same move in Chen style by Chen Zhenglei (I don't know it's name in Chen style as I'm not a practitioner of it) at 2.02 in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTyIQm-_Bj4&t=95sAfter his Chen version of White Crane look how his body controls the movement of the arms into whatever Chen style calls Brush Knee. It's quite visibly different
In your example video Chen Zhenglei's movements are larger definately larger than Yang Jun's movements.
in that same video, just before the his white crane movement is this:
later I saw this:
What do you think his of movement?
Are Chen Zhenglei's limbs moving separately than body?
In the end I think both styles use different methods to achieve the same effect of moving energy from the lower torso to the extremities and back.
If people like the Chen method, cool!