The Carnivore Diet?

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Re: The Carnivore Diet?

Postby Trick on Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:26 pm

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Re: The Carnivore Diet?

Postby Trick on Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:33 pm

vadaga wrote:the world cannot support 8.5 billion heavily carnivorous humans with the way meat is produced now. better to have a bit of meat, more fish and lots and lots of vegetables-grains-seeds-fruits

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Re: The Carnivore Diet?

Postby grzegorz on Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:52 am

Trick wrote:I made up a rule for myself food wise, no Head(brain,facial muscles,tongue,eyes), no Stomach(intestines), no Feet/Cloves/Hoves/claws...My wife(who is Chinese) says I most certainly eat those parts anyway since I like sausages, she's probably right but I keep my rule anyway :)


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Re: The Carnivore Diet?

Postby Patrick on Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:58 am

the world cannot support 8.5 billion heavily carnivorous humans with the way meat is produced now. better to have a bit of meat, more fish and lots and lots of vegetables-grains-seeds-fruit


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Re: The Carnivore Diet?

Postby middleway on Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:54 am

the world cannot support 8.5 billion heavily carnivorous humans with the way meat is produced now. better to have a bit of meat, more fish and lots and lots of vegetables-grains-seeds-fruit


This is an obvious point of course. I dont think anyone is suggesting that the world should follow this diet. But individual health is something that can be explored if it is of interest. I also dont think the massive destruction of habitats for grain production is the answer to feeding the world or very ehtical.

I agree that Bugs are a good option though. Alot of people eat them anyway in many countries and in the west there is a growing market in 'cricket protien' with companies like Exo Protien becoming boom businesses. I really think that this, alongside 'grown meat' like the stuff Memphis meats are producing which is bio identical to animal sourced meat but without the animal, are the future.
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Re: The Carnivore Diet?

Postby Patrick on Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:45 am

Then the future can suck itself.
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Re: The Carnivore Diet?

Postby middleway on Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:30 am

Then the future can suck itself.


haha. Are you a Vegan by any chance?! ;) :P
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Re: The Carnivore Diet?

Postby Patrick on Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:04 am

Nope. Not at all. A lot of veggies for sure, but I am not vegetarian or a vegan (which I despise).
I simply do not like artificial meat or any other product for that matter.
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Re: The Carnivore Diet?

Postby middleway on Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:06 am

i was kidding mate :)

But we are not talking about artificial meat, thats whats so interesting IMO. We are talking about real meat, including fat, connective tissue etc, just not attached to an animal.
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Re: The Carnivore Diet?

Postby vadaga on Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:37 am

interestingly enough I read a research paper yesterday saying that 99 percent of cow methane emissions were removed if cows were fed a diet containing 2% of a certain type of seaweed

http://www.publish.csiro.au/an/AN15576
only in vitro at this point, if it could go commercial it would have interesting potential
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Re: The Carnivore Diet?

Postby Steve James on Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:16 pm

The problem is that cows are fed corn, and corn is put in almost every processed food. Peoples' diets are becoming less and less diverse. Yeah, most of the methane emissions are coming from cow farts. But, then people scoff at climate change anyway; so, don't bother talking about reducing bovine flatulence. :)
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Re: The Carnivore Diet?

Postby grzegorz on Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:22 pm

Patrick wrote:Nope. Not at all. A lot of veggies for sure, but I am not vegetarian or a vegan (which I despise).
I simply do not like artificial meat or any other product for that matter.


I think calling it artificial it a bit of a stretch, it is plant based vs animal based.

It is a big thing out here. Looks, feels, and tastes like meat but it isn't and it isn't artificial.

This is the type of thing they sell out here at Butcher's Son in Berekely.

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And of course the impossible burger.

https://youtu.be/nIiLqNQOgPA

Considering what is put into and done with meat and the animals I would take the plant based option any day. The main turn off for me about being vegan is not being able to eat with people. As plant based options expand then being vegan will be easier. For me though when I do go long periods without meat I don't miss it. I actually prefer fruits and veggies but I also think it is unrealistic to expect the world to convert to veganism. I respect what vegans do but I also think that vegetarians have been doing the same for thousands of years and that going vegetarian is a lot more realistic and you get the same benefits environmentally and physically but without the rigid ideaology. For example, I know a vegan who will leave the table if you put creamer in your coffee.

For me, although I respect what they are trying to do and if it works for one's body type then by all means continue but I also believe that composting everything and by growing your own food greatly contributes to what vegans wish to accomplish for the enivornment. Yet to me diet is a very personal thing and I would have a hard time lecturing people on how I think they should eat.

Rant over, just figured someone should defend vegans.
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Re: The Carnivore Diet?

Postby Trick on Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:27 pm

Read somewhere sometime ago that when the buffalo roamed the American continent methane emissions must have been at least twice as high than of today, could that be true?
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Re: The Carnivore Diet?

Postby Trick on Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:37 pm

grzegorz wrote: For example, I know a vegan who will leave the table if you put creamer in your coffee.

Aren't those creamers such as coffee-mate non dairy? Tell your friend to sit down and join the company, there's nothing to worry about 8-)
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Re: The Carnivore Diet?

Postby Steve James on Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:15 pm

Trick wrote:Read somewhere sometime ago that when the buffalo roamed the American continent methane emissions must have been at least twice as high than of today, could that be true?


I had to try to look it up :)

Best Answer: Yes. The methane is produced not by the animals but by the bacteria in their gut. Given bacteria can evolve into new species over a few weeks, the geographic separation of american bison and european cattle (domestic cows are descendants of the Auroch) means that these bacterial species have been isolated for countless generations and have adapted to the different feeds the bovine species fed on over the course of their own evolution. The type of feed is also a factor.

Kelliher and Clark, (2010). Methane emissions from bison—An historic herd estimate for the North American Great Plains. Agricultural and Forest Meteorology 150:473-477. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...

EDIT: OK here are two separate papers looking at rates of methane production. In the one involving bison there was a single standardised diet (alfalfa pellets) and the Bison produced 30 L/kg whereas the dairy/beef cattle experiment involves varying quality feed types: mixed hay/legume (high quality), or varied quality grass hay (medium and low). Alfalfa is a legume so let's assume the high quality feed is comparable to the bison alfalfa diet. There were variations between dairy and beef cattle (due to effects of selective breeding) but the average methane production was 29.4 ± 1.83 L/kg. For the lower quality feeds methane production was much higher. So yes they are on pretty much a level playing field but consider that Bison do not graze solely on feed of single quality and have not been selectively bred to do so. Cattle have been selectively bred to maximise productivity from the available feed stocks so it is possible that the diets bison consume in nature may have a different methane production. However I have no evidence to back this up, it is just an assumption. But from this evidence, it appears that Bison would not be an alternative to European cattle.

Interestingly though, all the deer species produced far less methane than bison, even when eating more of the feed. But I don't think you can milk them as easily. have found research previously indicating goats produce vastly less methane than cattle do if you can't face the idea of life without cheese.
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Galbraith at al., (1998). Intake, digestibility, methane and heat production in bison, wapiti and white-tailed deer. Canadian Journal of Animal Science, 78(4): 681-691. http://pubs.aic.ca/doi/pdf/10.4141/A97-0...

Boadi & Wittenberg, (2002). Methane production from dairy and beef heifers fed forages differing in nutrient density using the sulphur hexafluoride (SF6) tracer gas technique. Canadian Journal of Animal Science 82, 201-206. http://pubs.aic.ca/doi/pdf/10.4141/A01-0...


Fwiw, methane isn't the only factor. When there were more bison/buffalo, there was also a lot more forest, and far few industries. However, I guess it could be argued that when humans used fire for heat and light, there was more air pollution. Then again, anyone who grew up in a city that used coal can remember the air quality.

Anyway, the argument is that it'd be possible to feed more people with what we grow to feed domestic cattle, etc.
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