Seemingly a lot of people are no longer fully convinced of the efficacy of the traditional martial arts they practice so are looking for a format like MMA or even Pushing hands competition. I understand it's goal but It's still something quite different then learning these tools for self-preservation.
Tiga Pukul wrote:Excellent answer Alex!
To answer your question if i practice Serak, i practice Bukti Negara which in it's core is directly connected to Serak.
Also on your thoughts on sparring and preparing with death in mind, i recall a nice article of a famous Dutch Indonesian Silat Master called Pak Turpijn.
He was quoted saying:
"You know, I have difficulty with seeing Pencak Silat as a sport. I was taught it so very differently. My Guru said: "Death is the recognition of defeat", and I belief in that very much. To be able to say you won from me, you have to kill me, it's as simple as that."
And he had the experience to back it up since he had to use the skills when he was still a late teenager and fight for independence in Indonesia in the 1940's and 1950's. And no those were no sparring matches...
Seemingly a lot of people are no longer fully convinced of the efficacy of the traditional martial arts they practice so are looking for a format like MMA or even Pushing hands competition. I understand it's goal but It's still something quite different then learning these tools for self-preservation.
C.J.W. wrote:Tiga Pukul wrote:Excellent answer Alex!
To answer your question if i practice Serak, i practice Bukti Negara which in it's core is directly connected to Serak.
Also on your thoughts on sparring and preparing with death in mind, i recall a nice article of a famous Dutch Indonesian Silat Master called Pak Turpijn.
He was quoted saying:
"You know, I have difficulty with seeing Pencak Silat as a sport. I was taught it so very differently. My Guru said: "Death is the recognition of defeat", and I belief in that very much. To be able to say you won from me, you have to kill me, it's as simple as that."
And he had the experience to back it up since he had to use the skills when he was still a late teenager and fight for independence in Indonesia in the 1940's and 1950's. And no those were no sparring matches...
Seemingly a lot of people are no longer fully convinced of the efficacy of the traditional martial arts they practice so are looking for a format like MMA or even Pushing hands competition. I understand it's goal but It's still something quite different then learning these tools for self-preservation.
True. Times have changed and TMAists no longer train to fight for survival with life and death in mind.
My Fujian White Crane teacher is over 100 years old now, and still talks about the days when he and other local Fukienese martial artists formed guerillas against the Japanese during the war. They would carry out raids at night or take out lone Japanese soldiers using mainly knives, axes, and sticks due to the lack of firearms, and relied heavily on their kungfu skills. He also remembers vividly the techniques they developed specifically to deal with their samurai sword-wielding adversaries who often knew Kendo and Judo.
And my late grandfather, who hailed from Henan province, grew up in the late 1910s when China was in political turmoil and torn apart by warlords. As a child, he was once kidnapped by horseback bandits (ma3zei2 馬賊 in Chinese) that ran rampant in the area at the time, and held for ransom. My great great grandfather, a fairly wealthy landowner, managed to put together enough money to hire several professional caravan escort guards to rescue him. He told me that when his rescuers tracked him down and engaged the kidnappers, he saw one of them kill and later cut off a bandit's head with a saber, and another bandit falling off the horse after getting speared in the chest like a human kebab. The man who was speared landed near him, and he had to listen to the horrible gurgling sounds made by the dying man for what felt like an eternity while hiding in a bush. (He'd still have nightmares about this incident even as an old man well into his 80s).
I don't suppose people like them need any convincing in order to believe that TMA actually works.
wayne hansen wrote:The sub titles don't show on my feed
It might just be in Australia
Is it in Vimeo
GrahamB wrote:I think this interview with Byron Jacobs answers a lot of the questions raised in this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlzMWaIIeiI
Byron Jacobs: All wushu, all of China’s martial practices including the martial practices of other countries, the root of the practice is combat application as a form of self-defense and for specific use. And it is upon this basic concept that the practices were developed in the first place and with this goal, people practiced and studied them. This is an extremely important point and it is the main goal. Without this aspect, it will incorrectly affect your ideas, mentality and method of training. Because if you lose this goal, you path will also be changed. . . . So people today are disconnected from these ideas of combat and application. But, the martial concepts and combat applications are a 100 percent responsible for guiding and leading your thoughts and mentality about how you train. You can say the intent of the practice. The intent of each technique. Because if we evaluate a technique, there is a correct method of execution.
Byron Jacobs: If wushu practitioners wish to enter MMA events, they would need to amend their training regime and method. They should remove many aspects. Of course they would be able to go fight. But, if you remove all these aspects which are unnecessary for MMA, what will be left?
Interviewer: So, it’s goal is not simply for competition.
Byron Jacobs: Yes. Their goal wasn’t to create an open format, where everything goes, with mixed methods from other arts. Competition fighting event. They designed their sparring event and the accepted combat methods within it, in line with Karate’s methods and principles. In order to represent Karate’s methods and techniques
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It seems there is some deeply rooted idea that competition outside of the art is 'bad'. And yet how many times do we hear the 1928 all China full contact tournament quoted by as proof of effectiveness. Really that event should be shunned.
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