suckinlhbf wrote:Shaolin has nothing to offer the internal
Ba tuan chin is so irrelevant to the internal arts I only teach to those who can't get the basics
Shaolin Temple offers a board syllabus, and their neigung training is very effective.
Ba Tuan Chin is funny. I know someone in China who has killed his opponent in the ring with his first and one punch in his fist match. After that, he never gets into the ring anymore. He is the most powerful guy I have ever known. A friend of mine who is a reputable national kungfu magazine journalist, traval across China has once mentioned to me that this guy's gungli is terribly strong. Several years back, a provincial national sanda team seeked his help on training, he trained them with Ba Tuan Chin. The whole team laughed and left. I guess his Ba Tuan Chin is different. He is too honest, and abosolutely has no business mind.
Baduanjin can be an effective exercise for developing martial power, but if it's done in the garden-variety fashion, then I'd also say it's nothing more than glorified yoga.
I know a Qigong guy who can teach beginners with zero experience in martial arts how to break bricks and boards, and acquire a basic level of iron shirt skill in 3 months using nothing but his version of Baduanjin with no external conditioning involved.