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Re: North Korea South Korea Sitting in a Tree

Postby grzegorz on Sun May 13, 2018 9:53 pm

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The US voilated the Iran Nuclear Treaty and is preparing us to go to war.

Here comes the propaganda machines...
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Re: North Korea South Korea Sitting in a Tree

Postby grzegorz on Sun May 13, 2018 9:58 pm

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Steve James wrote:
Absolutely good news. (Even if not a precondition). Pompeo meeting with Kim is invaluable. Pompeo's smart and will learn a lot about how Kim thinks. He'll know whether Kim is really a loonytoon or whether that was a caricature --and Dennis Rodman was right.


Seems like it was, I can't v see the president having a meeting while they still retained the captives.
Their release was made a precondition by Pompeo, according to the clip.

I know you won't watch it, outlines how it was precondition prior to the meeting.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl8qUH7_mq8



If your son was kidnapped for no reason and the kidnappers set them free would anyone thank the kidnappers the way president propecea did?
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Re: North Korea South Korea Sitting in a Tree

Postby grzegorz on Sun May 13, 2018 10:06 pm

Considering how well things worked out in Afghanistan, Syria, Isreal and Iraq I am not surprised that President Propecea has decided to get the US involved in another war.

Started a new thread.

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Re: North Korea South Korea Sitting in a Tree

Postby windwalker on Sun May 13, 2018 11:43 pm

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If your son was kidnapped for no reason and the kidnappers set them free would anyone thank the kidnappers the way president propecea did?


Funny thing about "reasons" everyone has one although one may not agree with them.

Had an uncle who was shot for a camera, I guess that's a reason.
The family was told that the people who shot him had hard lives...I guess that was a reason

Lets stick to what happened and was reported.
They were alleged to have commited :.

espionage and subversion
hostial acts
criminal acts


Kim Dong-chul, a former Virginia resident in his mid-60s, was detained in October 2015. He had been living in the Chinese city of Yanji, near the border with North Korea, since 2001 and working in a special economic zone in the North as head of a hotel services company.

He was put through a sham trial, during which he made a tearful confession that had all the hallmarks of having been written for him. In April 2016, he was sentenced to 10 years in prison on charges of espionage and subversion.

State media reported that Kim had been arrested for “committing criminal acts of hostility aimed to overturn” North Korea and that a “detailed investigation into his crimes” was taking place.

Only two weeks later, another man affiliated with PUST, an agricultural consultant named Kim Hak-song, was detained on suspicion of “hostile acts,” according to North Korea’s state media. He is believed to have been born in China, near the border with North Korea, but to have immigrated to the United States in the 1990s before returning to the Yanji area.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as ... a907cae1b7

By their law there really was no reason to let them go other then to remove any impediment to the meeting between Kim, and Trump, and the on going dialogue.

It was a political act prior to a meeting between heads of state. The president would not have agreed to the meeting with Americans still being held captive regardless of what the charges were. It was a precondition that they met.

Trump said :

“We want to thank [North Korean leader] Kim Jong Un, who really was excellent to these three incredible people,” Trump said at Joint Base Andrews outside Washington.


Its happened before

"Our president said to [Chinese President] Xi, 'Do you know anything about these knuckleheads that got caught allegedly stealing?'" John Kelly told the New York Times.

"The president was saying, 'It's not too serious. We'd love to see this taken care of in an expeditious way.'"

The discussion between the two world leaders occurred on the sidelines of an economic summit in Vietnam on Sunday.

and it was talking care of. Whether one agrees with their laws or not in China, the Chinese did not have to let them go...its said they could have been there for 10yrs.



People make mistakes, making them in another country one is subjected to their law or lack of.
I would imagine there are other Americans being held in other places that do not have the same attention
that ones held in n-korea received.

U.S. Presidents have often struggled with the challenge of when to trade favor or treasure for Americans captured abroad. Trump says he will deal forcefully with foreign adversaries. “We are aggressively pursuing the release of our people.

We will leave no lawful tool, partnership or recovery option off the table,” Trump tells TIME. “I am always tough on countries or terrorist groups that hold our people hostage or detain them on fake charges and keep them captive in hellish locations far from their family and loved ones.”

http://time.com/4876077/the-art-of-the-hostage-deal/
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Re: North Korea South Korea Sitting in a Tree

Postby Trick on Sun May 13, 2018 11:56 pm

In today's Swedish news it says US will make big investments on infrastructure and agriculture in NK if Kim follows through with the deconstruction of their nuclear weapon program
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Re: North Korea South Korea Sitting in a Tree

Postby windwalker on Mon May 14, 2018 12:05 am

Trick wrote:In today's Swedish news it says US will make big investments on infrastructure and agriculture in NK if Kim follows through with the deconstruction of their nuclear weapon program


I would expect there to be some carrots as they say along with the sticks.
Its time, maybe Kim will turn out to be a transformational leader for himself and his people.
His people regardless of whats been said about him, also need to see and understand this as being presented in
such a way that its through strength in this case one could say resolve and endurance....each side will have its story to tell.

Regardless of his motives, things seem to be moving in the right direction. Haven't been to Korea in a long time
my daughter's keep in touch with their relatives there. The younger people may be able to move on with it, while the
the older ones are still trapped by memoirs of the war....

It does seem positive hope it continues to be so. The president has made it pretty clear that nothing is for sure. I would expect that
there would be no meeting with out some very explicit actions taken prior to it.. So far it looks like NK is taking the correct actions.

Spent some time in Korea as young person in the military and later working there, guess I still have some history
in my mind floating around. Very hard working people,,,,very hard headed ;) .

"We Koreans were born from the womb of Han and brought up in the womb of Han."
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Re: North Korea South Korea Sitting in a Tree

Postby grzegorz on Mon May 14, 2018 10:08 am

So you would kiss Kim's ass. LOL!

The Trump apologists will have us believe that Trump can do no wrong.

Love how Trumpettes can spin on a dime and now defend Kim. Right...

At least past presidents did not kiss Kim's ass. Under Obama 11 Americans were released.

Trump is way out of his league and just encouraged the world to take Americans prisoners as future bargaining chips.

Thanks Trump.....
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Re: North Korea South Korea Sitting in a Tree

Postby grzegorz on Mon May 14, 2018 10:12 am

windwalker wrote:
Trick wrote:In today's Swedish news it says US will make big investments on infrastructure and agriculture in NK if Kim follows through with the deconstruction of their nuclear weapon program


I would expect there to be some carrots as they say along with the sticks.
Its time, maybe Kim will turn out to be a transformational leader for himself and his people.
His people regardless of whats been said about him, also need to see and understand this as being presented in
such a way that its through strength in this case one could say resolve and endurance....each side will have its story to tell.

Regardless of his motives, things seem to be moving in the right direction. Haven't been to Korea in a long time
my daughter's keep in touch with their relatives there. The younger people may be able to move on with it, while the
the older ones are still trapped by memoirs of the war....

It does seem positive hope it continues to be so. The president has made it pretty clear that nothing is for sure. I would expect that
there would be no meeting with out some very explicit actions taken prior to it.. So far it looks like NK is taking the correct actions.

Spent some time in Korea as young person in the military and later working there, guess I still have some history
in my mind floating around. Very hard working people,,,,very hard headed ;) .

"We Koreans were born from the womb of Han and brought up in the womb of Han."


If you took off your President Propecea hat you would realize that Kim will remain in power. It is not Trump's decision. Is anything? It was Moon's campaign promise and his platform. Peace with North Korea and for Kim to remain in power. He was the first to South President to take this stance instead of puffing out his chest and pretending to be a bad ass as as President Bone Spurs and yet blinded the red states voters into believing him in the biggest con job in US history.
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Re: North Korea South Korea Sitting in a Tree

Postby grzegorz on Mon May 14, 2018 10:19 am

Trick wrote:In today's Swedish news it says US will make big investments on infrastructure and agriculture in NK if Kim follows through with the deconstruction of their nuclear weapon program


The irony here is that President Propecea and the GOP has let the promise of a US infrastructure bill die because Trump is fighting for the little guy. Yes, people actually believed him and the whole Trump crime family and voted for them.

Also US soil bean farmers are going to go bankrupt due to Trump's sanctions on China. In 2020 all almonds sold to China will come from Australia and no longer California, which is or was our biggest cash crop.
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Re: North Korea South Korea Sitting in a Tree

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Mon May 14, 2018 10:30 am

Yup, there are a number of things Trump promised that I actually agreed with. He did the opposite of all of them.

Cracking down on big banks: instead fills his cabinet with bankers.

Infrastructure and jobs: instead begins doing everything he can to destroy our environment.

Cracking down on big pharma: instead appears to be allowing them to hike prices--even if abroad for now.

Health insurance for all and for cheaper: prices are set to increase and enrollments are dropping for the first time since the major uptick thanks to the gutted and admittedly flawed ACA.
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Re: North Korea South Korea Sitting in a Tree

Postby grzegorz on Mon May 14, 2018 10:56 am

Yes, Trump saw which of Bernie's platform was doing well in the rust belt and stole his message. I could never figure out why union workers would support Trump. From talking to them it seems they bought Trump's Bernie style message hook, line and sinker. They had no idea who Trump really was.

Remember Carrier? Yeah, those jobs went to Mexico for all of President Propecea's puffing out his chest. But no talks about it.

Carrier, the company President Trump pledged to keep on American soil, informed the state of Indiana this week that it will soon begin cutting 632 workers from an Indianapolis factory. The manufacturing jobs will move to Monterrey, Mexico, where the minimum wage is $3.90 per day.

That was never supposed to happen, according to Trump's campaign promises. He told Indiana residents at a rally last year there was a "100 percent chance” he would save the jobs at the heating and air-conditioning manufacturer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 184dd28ebe
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Re: North Korea South Korea Sitting in a Tree

Postby grzegorz on Mon May 14, 2018 11:18 am

windwalker wrote:The timing was set by the bill itself not something that could be changed.
As to the decision.

“In explaining his no-vote, Schumer said, “It is because I believe Iran will not change, and under this agreement it will be able to achieve its dual goals of eliminating sanctions while ultimately retaining its nuclear and non-nuclear power.”

Better to keep U.S. sanctions in place, strengthen them, enforce secondary sanctions on other nations, and pursue the hard-trodden path of diplomacy once more, difficult as it may be. For all of these reasons,

I believe the vote to disapprove is the right one.”


I agree with his line of reasoning

some highlights of why some felt the deal was flawed

Iran has continued to test ballistic missiles and has warned it won’t allow inspections of military sites — highlighting ambiguities in the agreement.

https://nypost.com/2017/09/15/iran-deal ... ing-flaws/

“when key nuclear restrictions of the JCPOA expire, Iran will be free to build up its nuclear capabilities, especially its enrichment capacity, and drastically reduce the time it would need to produce enough fissile material for a nuclear weapon.”
Sounds very similar to what happend with N-Korea.
They achieved their goal and became a threat to the US.


Between 2025 and 2030, the agreement to limit Iran’s stocks of low-enriched uranium and the number of centrifuge cascades it can operate will expire, allowing Iran to erect an industrial-scale nuclear program if it chooses.


Apparently there was no way to restructure the agreement in its present form.

Iran has 90 days before the the full effect of the sanctions are re instated.
Hopefully before that time, some resolution will be found addressing the concerns of all parties.

The crux of the matter

“There is no need to force a crisis over it at this very moment — as Trump and some deal opponents seem inclined to do — given that elements of the JCPOA don’t begin to sunset until 2026-2031,” he wrote. He added that any negotiations to further restrict Iran ought to include “possible positive inducements” for Iran. The same type of thinking that allowed N-Korea to attain its goal now being dealt with

Perhaps. But Iran negotiated the current deal only after the US imposed and enforced sanctions that cut its banking system off from the international economy and cut off its ability to export oil. Those so-called secondary sanctions crippled Iran’s economy, because they applied not only to Iran but also to any foreign entities that did business with it. Why the other players will not be able to play, "any foreign entities" all those in favor of keeping the agreement was only possible with the consent of the US,. Something when the sanctions are re applied they will not be able to do....maybe :-\ never know ...

What’s to say the threat of bringing back those sanctions won’t persuade America’s European allies to try to fix the nuclear deal’s flaws?
It worked before.



No longer a threat a reality
Remains to be seen whether it will work again.
Within 90 days we should know....


Wind you do realize that war is happening all over the Middle East, don't you? And on Iran's borders, right?

That being the case why wouldn't Iran have the right to military technology?

Because Iran is evil?

Evil because the world wants their oil?

Time for a history lesson.

Watch "What the Media Won't Tell You About Iran" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/xH9PVkdwjrg
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Re: North Korea South Korea Sitting in a Tree

Postby windwalker on Mon May 14, 2018 7:04 pm

grzegorz wrote:
If you took off your President Propecea hat you would realize that Kim will remain in power. It is not Trump's decision. Is anything? It was Moon's campaign promise and his platform. Peace with North Korea and for Kim to remain in power. He was the first to South President to take this stance instead of puffing out his chest and pretending to be a bad ass as as President Bone Spurs and yet blinded the red states voters into believing him in the biggest con job in US history.


Its ok.

It's ok to have reached different conclusion with out assigning a motive.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOO7Hzf6pZg&t=0s
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Re: North Korea South Korea Sitting in a Tree

Postby Trick on Mon May 14, 2018 8:22 pm

Good and bad rulers/politicians can be found all over the world, and when countries are run by a priesthood or mullah-hood is just adding to the badness and when such are fiddling with atoms it feels extra dangerous - I think
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Re: North Korea South Korea Sitting in a Tree

Postby grzegorz on Mon May 14, 2018 10:26 pm

News headlines from practically a year ago.

Yeah, the Americans deserve all the credit...


Peace between North and South Korea and the complete disarmament of Kim's nukes by 2020: President Moon Jae-in sets out plans for treaty


By Joe Sheppard For Mailonline04:02 EDT 20 Jul 2017, updated 07:13 EDT 20 Jul 2017

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Korea.html

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