voidisyinyang wrote:we lived from the San Bushmen culture of no war, no rape, no homosexuality, no masturbation and all the males training in trance dancing and fasting based on complementary opposites.
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voidisyinyang wrote:we lived from the San Bushmen culture of no war, no rape, no homosexuality, no masturbation and all the males training in trance dancing and fasting based on complementary opposites.
Dmitri wrote:voidisyinyang wrote:we lived from the San Bushmen culture of no war, no rape, no homosexuality, no masturbation and all the males training in trance dancing and fasting based on complementary opposites.
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"Interestingly, the Ju/wasi took no position on homosexuality, which seemed unknown. Researchers of other hunter-gatherer societies have also found an absence of homosexuality. Perhaps the Old Way, with its arduous lifestyle, does not transmit this quality."
"Khoisan believe that it harms a girl terribly to be possessed before she is mature. It might even drive her mad. Khoisan have no real solution to this, as there are no prostitutes and only in a few bands are there promiscuous women. Homosexuality is not permitted either; the young men just have to get used to being tempted constantly but never gratified."
"Is the strong cultural focus on sex as a reproductive tool the reason masturbation and homosexual practices seem to be virtually unknown among the Aka and Ngandu? That isn't clear. But the Hewletts did find that their informants -- whom they knew well from years of field work -- "were not aware of these practices, did not have terms for them," and, in the case of the Aka, had a hard time even understanding about what the researchers were asking when they asked about homosexual behaviors."
“There are things about the antiquity of the Bushmen’s culture that we didn’t know. A musicologist found very important music which was used at a woman’s first menarche called ‘elan music’ (honoring the fat-rich antelope). This ‘elan music’ was also present in other language groups of other Bushmen language groups and also the noun-less speakers who are not exactly Bushmen but they’re related. This means that way back before these groups diverged, somebody invented or composed (this) music and then they took it with them.”
everything wrote:Do you want to comment on
Left hand dragon
Liver
Anger
Qigong related to above
For example if you're angry, what do you do
voidisyinyang wrote:
Anyway the lunar pineal gland energy got covered up by the Solar patriarchy - starting around with wheat monocultural farming and then increasingly with the chariot warfare - and before that the ox carts... So humans for 90% of our biological history - before 10,000 BCE - we lived from the San Bushmen culture of no war, no rape, no homosexuality, no masturbation and all the males training in trance dancing and fasting based on complementary opposit
So humans for 90% of our biological history - before 10,000 BCE - we lived from the San Bushmen culture of no war, no rape, no homosexuality, no masturbation and all the males training in trance dancing and fasting based on complementary opposites.
The North Sentinelese put on fierce demonstrations by gesturing and throwing spears and arrows if a ship or helicopter gets too close.
Dmitri wrote:
To wit, the last known oldest isolated tribe wasn't shown to be a very peaceful people:The North Sentinelese put on fierce demonstrations by gesturing and throwing spears and arrows if a ship or helicopter gets too close.
That alone completely dismantles your "no war" claim, does it not?
Dmitri wrote:Thanks for your answer, but I guess I should have included your entire sentence in my original quotation -- I'll highlight the most relevant parts:So humans for 90% of our biological history - before 10,000 BCE - we lived from the San Bushmen culture of no war, no rape, no homosexuality, no masturbation and all the males training in trance dancing and fasting based on complementary opposites.
12000+ years is a very, very long time, and whatever oral transmissions from the "recent" elders might say, they are too far removed from the time period in question. So let me ask a clarifying questions: can you reference any actual evidence that "we" (presumably you meant all of humanity and not just your particular ancestry?) lived like the Bushmen of the relatively recent ("observable" by modern oral transmissions) past, and not like any other tribe/people instead?
To wit, the last known oldest isolated tribe wasn't shown to be a very peaceful people:The North Sentinelese put on fierce demonstrations by gesturing and throwing spears and arrows if a ship or helicopter gets too close.
That alone completely dismantles your "no war" claim, does it not?
The most important spiritual being to the southern San was /Kaggen, the trickster-deity. He created many things, and appears in numerous myths where he can be foolish or wise, tiresome or helpful. The word '/Kaggen' can be translated as 'mantis', this led to the belief that the San worshipped the praying mantis.
The early colonization of the Andaman archipelago by bearers of the M2 lineage supports the growing evidence of an early movement of humans through southern Asia and indicates that phenotypic similarities with African groups are convergent. It also suggests that early human migrants were capable of reaching all the islands of southeast Asia and, therefore, Near Oceania by the late Pleistocene.
The theory of primitive warfare does have its supporters (e.g., Alexander 1987; Pinker 2011; Shackelford and Weekes-Shackelford 2012), but unless the idea is ethnographically supported, we can legitimately dismiss it as an ethnocentric assumption.
There are many different San groups - they have no collective name for .... The blood of an Eland, an animal of great religious and symbolic .... The San are a friendly, creative, and peaceful people, who never developed any weapons of war, ...
Andrew Zimmern, The Bizarre Truth: how I walked out the door mouth first – and came back shaking my head (Random House, 2009), 234-5.Toward what I believed to be the end of the evening, Xaxe, a great hunter, healer,and shaman, laid hands on me....I felt the energy, his energy, surge through my body. He had his hands on me for about twenty-five or thirty seconds, but it felt like he had only touched me for a split second. Time stood still. I literally had a short out of body experience. I could see him touching me from just above my body, almost like I was floating six feet off the ground, watching myself. All of a sudden I was back in my body observing an image of him thumbing through the book that contained all the pictures and moments in my life. I saw images of my childhood I hadn't remembered in years, pictures of my mother and me walking on a beach and shelling, very strong images. At the time, both during his touch and immediately afterward, I described it as him flipping through the pages of my life....Later the next morning, I spoke with Xaxe about the trance dance. He told me he wanted access to me in a way that was not possible through a translator....Xaxe's curiosity was such a caring, loving gesture....When he detached from me it felt like someone was unplugging a lamp from a wall socket. As he let go of me and continued to dance around the fire, I spontaneously burst into uncontrollable tears....I had been stripped to my emotional core, completely stunned by what I had witnessed so up close and personal.
Artifacts Point to Modern Culture 44,000 Years Ago
Jul 31, 2012 by Sergio Prostak
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An international team of scientists has substantially increased the age at which we can trace the emergence of modern culture, all thanks to the San people of Africa.
Artifacts from Border Cave. 1–8: implements made on warthog or bushpig lower canines, and 9-12: notched bones (d’Errico F et al / PNAS)
The results by the team, consisting of scientists from South Africa, France, Italy, Norway, the USA and Britain, are published in two papers online in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (paper1, paper2).
“The dating and analysis of archaeological material discovered at Border Cave in South Africa, has allowed us to demonstrate that many elements of material culture that characterize the lifestyle of San hunter-gatherers in southern Africa, were part of the culture and technology of the inhabitants of this site 44,000 years ago,” said Dr Lucinda Backwell, a senior researcher in paleoanthropology at the Wits University’s Bernard Price Institute for Paleontological Research and co-author of both papers.
A key question in human evolution is when in prehistory human cultures similar to ours emerged? Until now, most archaeologists believed that the oldest traces of San hunter-gatherer culture in southern Africa dates back 10,000, or at most 20,000 years.
Now the team has dated and directly analyzed objects from archaeological layers at Border Cave. Located in the foothills of the Lebombo Mountains in KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa, the site has yielded exceptionally well-preserved organic material.
Dr Backwell said their results have shown without a doubt that at around 44,000 years ago the people at Border Cave were using digging sticks weighted with perforated stones, like those traditionally used by the San.
everything wrote:But there is evidence of homo sapiens that is 300,000 years old. That "humans left Africa" at least 100,000 years ago.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science- ... 180967952/
Neanderthal remains date to at least 430,000 years old.
Homo erectus to 1.7 million years back.
The numbers get too staggering. We or our relatives have been around a long, long time. It's not as interesting to me what has been lost, or to speculate on anthropology, vs. what is being lost right now that we consider "ancient" that isn't really so ancient given these numbers (qigong, TCM, taijiquan, real "internal", ...)
Offerings to a Stone Snake Provide the Earliest Evidence of Religion
70,000-year-old African ritual practices linked to mythology of modern Botswanans
In a one-meter-wide, two-meter-deep excavation right next to the snake, the researchers uncovered more than 100 multicolored spear points from a total of 13,000 man-made artifacts.
The tips closely resemble those found elsewhere in Africa that researchers have dated at up to 77,000 years old, Coulson says. Judging from the rare colors of the stone points and the pattern of fragments, people from far and wide likely brought them to the cave partially made and finished working them there, she explains.
the cave in Botswana has never been used as a dwelling. For over 70,000 years, people came to this cave for the sole purpose of performing rituals, and nothing else.
The cumulative evidence, however, is convincing to Coulson.
“It is the whole package of … behavior traits from our excavations that has led us to conclude that the only plausible explanation is that this site was used for ritual purposes,” she said.
“The intentional stuffing of quartz flakes into a crack in the wall beneath the snake, the exceptional treatment of all the points recovered, [these] are behavioral patterns that do not fit any patterns we know of from the many other sites [from this era].”
Now that you know of this cave, I will give you its
story. …The cave was used by my ancestors
when they needed help in hunting. The(y) Zhu
(local San) hunted with them, but it was only my
ancestors who used the cave. Sometimes, they
would go hunting and would not be successful.
Then they used to come to this cave. The hunters
entered and one would take a stone and tap several
times (indicated) on this ledge to attract the atten-
tion of the ancestors. He would then ask for help in
the hunt. They would go out again to hunt and
now they could be successful. …The meat was
carried to the village. Before they ate, some meat
was brought to this cave. The hunter built a small
fire before this ledge and cooked a little meat in a
clay pot. The meat was then placed on the ledge.
Yes, before cooking, a stone was tapped on the
The night was also the niche for celebration and ceremonies that linked humans to the spirit world. On 8 of 36 evenings observed, women broke into festive song and dance that flooded the night. On 6 of 36 nights, trance-healing dances were performed; three were smaller ones for healing and three nightlong dances drew in people from three or more camps. Efforts by everybody present contributed to healing the sick, closing social rifts, and restoring spiritual cohesion. Trance dancing was the most inclusive activity of the night, energetically the most costly, and cognitively the most complex.
everything wrote:Everyone has qi, so n/um, kundalini, whatever name may exist, makes sense.
Personally I'm not so interested in "kundalini awakening", yoga, spiritual teachings, trance, Taoism, Carlos Castaneda, LSD, psilocybin, etc., except for from a vague intellectual distance, or as sort of a recreational entertainment like the test no topic thread. I can see why other people might be interested in these topics.
For me, and I'd argue for everyone here and everywhere, health must come first (otherwise "spiritual" or "martial" or "material" doesn't exist/matter) and a lot of the above (based on many tales not less crazy than yours, void) seems rather unhealthy to me.
Connecting that viewpoint to all the cultural topics, it seems like "sinking to dantian", micro and macrocosmic orbit, meridian theory, acupuncture are specific to TCM and Taoist internal energy work, and by extension, some tiny subset of Chinese IMA work (no one really pays any attention to Taiji classics and "sink qi to dantian" instructions). For these reasons, I'm more interested in "Taoist" arts and Taoist IMA.
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