Appledog wrote:I think overall we are making progress.
The headless community is being led in a particular direction.
I am hoping that direction is towards realizing a BJJ competition is not the correct venue for demonstrating taiji skills. We need to defragment the community and restore proper push hands as a test of skill. I'm not sure about "competitions", but push hands is obviously a way for two people to compare skills as well as learn from each other. That's another thing that needs to change. With the advent of a unifying sports body and a proper common set of rules the adversity can fade away somewhat and we can come together in learning and friendship.
everything wrote:It keeps feeling like it's November 1993.
Someone send these guys the UFC 1 VHS.
willie wrote:I totally disagree, We are not making progress or heading in the right direction.
Push hand competitions will not fill in the void either.
Appledog wrote:I think overall we are making progress.
The headless community is being led in a particular direction.
I am hoping that direction is towards realizing a BJJ competition is not the correct venue for demonstrating taiji skills. We need to defragment the community and restore proper push hands as a test of skill. I'm not sure about "competitions", but push hands is obviously a way for two people to compare skills as well as learn from each other. That's another thing that needs to change. With the advent of a unifying sports body and a proper common set of rules the adversity can fade away somewhat and we can come together in learning and friendship.
Appledog wrote:proper push hands as a test of skill
everything wrote:It keeps feeling like it's November 1993.
Someone send these guys the UFC 1 VHS.
Steve James wrote:Imo, it all depends on the goal of one's training and one's expectations from it. If the goal or expectation --of any martial artist-- is to be able to defeat any opponent, under any conditions, any time, then one will be sorely disappointed. Secondly, martial arts developed as solutions to particular problems: i.e., just like the art of war, being attacked required the development of defense.
If the problem is being on the ground, then the martial artist needs to develop a solution for that situation if it's likely to occur. If tcc people want to go up against grappler/wrestlers, then the tcc people need to adapt. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a tcc person studying grappling/groundwork. In my opinion, the fallacy is in expectation of success without appropriate preparation.
However, this is all and only in relation to competition. There's no reason to suggest that tcc alone is sufficient to defeat any attack or attacker. People can do it; but they can't prove it.
The other problem in the discussion is simply the definition of "tai chi chuan." If it cannot exist on the ground, then a person who can be successful on the ground can't be doing tcc. People would say the same thing when practitioners of "tcc" would put on gloves and shin pads. I.e., they said it wasn't tcc.
And there's an irony, too. If, say, a bjj black belt were to take up tcc and then won mma competitions, it would be like a judo black belt winning a push hands competition. People would say that it wasn't tcc.
but push hands is obviously a way for two people to compare skills as well as learn from each other.
As to competition ph has developed into its own specialized acknowledge taiji format.
Which in many ways killed the development of the art. Historically the art was noted for taking on all challengers regardless of style.
windwalker wrote:I think it helps to remember that the term "taiji" was applied to what was being demoed or shown as representative of the concept, not something that started out based on it. As to what is correct or not depends on what ever family style that one happens to follow they all tend to say the same things expressing it in different ways.
Being a concept based art commonly expressed through family styles,
what is considered to be taiji will tend to reflect the marketing that made it so.
Not many new styles of taiji developed and recognized as such,, one might ask why?
windwalker wrote:As to competition ph has developed into its own specialized acknowledge taiji format.
Which in many ways killed the development of the art. Historically the art was noted for taking on all challengers regardless of style.
By making the ph hands into a competition it killed the art just as in judo...and many other arts when this happens...MMA in this aspect is probably more like what they did back in the day, with exception that there was more variation and specialization.but push hands is obviously a way for two people to compare skills as well as learn from each other.
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