GrahamB wrote:Interesting clip. What do you think he's doing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQjX6RO ... e=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQjX6RO ... e=youtu.be
windwalker wrote:...it's a training class demonstrating a certain principle.
C.J.W. wrote:Over-the-top cooperative (energy-feeding) training.
Subitai wrote:It's a training class alright......................................................................................
.....a training class to teach a guy how to be "Over-the-top cooperative"
GrahamB wrote:Interesting clip. What do you think he's doing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQjX6RO ... e=youtu.be
GrahamB wrote:Interesting clip. What do you think he's doing?
Dmitri wrote:
I would bet you anything that the variation in the student's response would be statistically irrelevant, i.e. he would be about just as likely to react (or not) in a certain way to Sam vs. to the other guy.
Too bad nobody will probably ever conduct a simple experiment like that.
windwalker wrote:Actually they have and I have in different ways
you might first start off by stating what you think the acting agent is, and what it's acting on.
windwalker wrote:Subitai wrote:It's a training class alright......................................................................................
.....a training class to teach a guy how to be "Over-the-top cooperative"
yep
Demos taking out of context often look odd,
everyone does them. I would have the thought the point was about to understand the what, how and why....
As I mentioned indirectly what sam is using could be called resonance, its what I would call it he may feel its something different.
its a demo about an interesting effect.
just as this demo is also about an effect. Although I would explain it differently in terms of parallel axis .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jixsVLW1NA0
" I would have the thought the point was about to understand the what, how and why...."
C.J.W. wrote:Energy-feeding training has its place and purposes in IMA training (e.g., structure testing, developing sensitivity, finding jin-path, etc), but it can also sometimes lead practitioners astray -- especially when they begin to confuse this type of work with application.
Dmitri wrote: A lot of different complex mini-interactions are taking place, like with any human contact. A rather large part of it is the participants' expectations of what's supposed to happen, and that will vary according to their suggestibility and various other parameters. The experiment I suggested is intended to take that factor out of the equation in an attempt to determine how important of a factor that actually is. (And I believe it's rather important/large.)
xian89 wrote:I believe it is a student/teacher situation. The student is supposed to feel Sam in order to gain an understanding of some principle/flavour/etc. in a casual and playful atmosphere
Learning requires cooperation - the student shouldn't try to change, to just resist with all his might nor collapse and run away (unless that is part of the learning experience that is being imparted, of course), but give something for the teacher to work with. I don't believe there is "over-the-top" cooperation in this video in so far it means "jumping" and "fakting" the effects on the student's part. It is odd as most do try to resist something they can not consciously feel and then say nothing happened. For those watching they clearly see that something happened .
I use the word resonance to help describe what I feel is happening. It is interesting in other threads people describe their centers being moved. Or being off balance but never seem to equate this With that. The chinese talk about a field "qi chong" or qi field that surrounds the body. Depending on how developed it is it can extend a couple of feet away from the body or only to the surface. Teacher Gao, talks about this field in the clip I posted. He mentions its the interaction of this field with others and the interchange of it and the body,,,empty and full that he uses to cause the reactions.
As best I know, part of Sam's "fame" is that he can also perfom many of these things on anyone at any level of intensity while remaining casual and loose, he just doesn't advertize it. He is quite reluctant to have ANY videos released to the public in general and prefers the semi-anonymous life. But he films every student and challenger that comes by him "to avoid any misunderstanding" and has quite a collection of videos.
I think pretty much everyone on here would be surprised by the famous teachers (historical and today's) of every kind of style, internal as well as external, that has visited him unofficially and "in secret" only to get thrown around like a baby in his hands.
The best public video of Sam is this IMO:
https://www.facebook.com/charles.jenks.12/videos/1681832938763204/
I think pretty much everyone on here would be surprised by the famous teachers (historical and today's) of every kind of style, internal as well as external, that has visited him unofficially and "in secret" only to get thrown around like a baby in his hands.
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