MaartenSFS wrote:I highly recommend that people train these types of Gongfa more to improve their Gongli and spend less time on forms and complacent partner exercises.
MaartenSFS wrote:Yes, there is some subtle unbalancing in the demonstration (but not forwards or backwards - it's more that it's not exactly a straight line, despite its outward appearance) that I discuss at the beginning, but not in most other applications. We call this type of test Shili (试力). There are different ways to test power from different angles. The one that impressed me enough to want to study from my Master is the first movement of the Chen Taijiquan form, Qishi (起势). He easily sent me flying and I couldn't budge him. Same thing, different angle. All of them require full body power, coming from the ground.
I wonder if the kai-hei you are describing is not "kai-he" (开合)? O, nevermind, it is. Must have been a typo...
MaartenSFS wrote:Ah, I see. That makes sense. Japanese wasn't influenced by Mandarin Chinese anyways..
From your description it is possible that we are doing the same thing, but from my end of things it's more like up-rooting, perhaps a vertical circle, than a spiral. Regardless, the reasoning is the same. It's done as one movement to aid the Hengjin.
I'm glad that you liked the videos. The video that I linked to in this thread is probably the most important, instruction-wise, but has the least views...
MaartenSFS wrote:What's the Chinese art that you study, if you don't mind my asking?
Zhong Xin Dao (I Liq Chuan). Its technical/physical foundation is set on internal body qualities and movement, and focuses heavily on solo and partner empty-handed training and drills.
We have drills with and without equipment. The drills with equipment are by far the most effective at developing the various Jin. The one's without are more about refining them once we already have them and/or the actual techniques that we use. I cannot stress the importance of these training methods enough. They are the ingredient that most people are missing in their arts to make them truly effective.
I have seen the efficacy of drills using equipment, and believe that the added load and resistance stress increase strength and quickness, more than just using one's own mass and self-generated dynamic tensions. Using another person (i.e. partner training) can and does provide that needed load and resistance, but equipment definitely appears to enhance the process. And in the absence of a training partner, using equipment probably provides very useful feedback, in addition to useful resistance.
The rolling ball of Peng pretty accurately describes a similar "test" where we send someone flying with a forward movement. In that video I do a short demonstration where I kind of do that, which may be what you saw. In the horizontal one it's more of a scoop. The two Jin I learned from Xinyiliuhequan and Baguazhang, respectively.
MaartenSFS wrote:Thank you for elaborating. Is that art from the Chinese community in Penang?
It's a Hakka Chinese family art developed by Chin Lik Keong in, I think, the Chinese community in Kuala Lumpur. His son GM Sam F.S. Chin is now the generational gatekeeper of the art, and lives in the U.S. (he travels worldwide to teach). It's a distillation of several old internal Chinese martial arts. GM Sam Chin has further fashioned and refined the art into a martial way with a deep focus on mindfulness and awareness, while keeping the solid, pragmatic functionality as a martial art. Originally, the name of the art was just I Liq Chuan, but the martial way it has become is now referred to as Zhong Xin Dao to differentiate it from the original technical art, which did not have the Zen-awareness component and pedagogy that are part of the art's current form, under GM Sam Chin.
Here's a link to the history, on the ZXD ILC website:
https://iliqchuan.com/chin-lik-keong-fo ... liq-chuan/
Yes, I agree that partner drilling can develop all of these types of power, provided that you have good partners. That has not been the case for me and I have found it far more practical to do my own training. I feel that coming back to the West people are even less willing to do it..
If and when I find some good students I may arrange some partner drills into a small system to add to the solo drills.
IME, training with partners brings a "live-ness" and "now-ness" to training that develops a degree sensitivity, "listening" and response skills that inanimate equipment can't provide. But, both have their place, purpose and usefulness. I would ideally want to have a balance of solo- and partner empty-hand training, equipment drills, and weapons work in my training regimen. That's one of the reasons why I also train in my particular line of aikijujutsu, which is heavily weapons-based. Training (especially internal training) with traditional weapons adds a deeper dimension and skill set, as well.
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