Bao wrote:You can not do mud steps on an uneven surface. But the idea is to keep the foot as close to the ground as possible to hide your stepping and not letting the opponent trap your legs between transitions.
MaartenSFS wrote:I believe that it's more about keeping your structure as you are stepping and adding power from the friction (since the power comes from the ground).
MaartenSFS wrote:If the surface is uneven, then there will be less friction, but that doesn't change the structure significantly. The friction does indeed add power and just because Sun Lutang did or didn't do something doesn't mean that something is or isn't effective. Everyone fights differently.
I can tell you that after I learned Xingyi footwork (Mocabu, which is pretty much identical to Tangnibu) together with Piquan my power improved drasticly and I haven't looked back since. Then again my power is explosive and different people may prefer different methods.
Bao wrote:Oh....
I think that it's a basic yet practical explanation. If it's wrong or too simplified, please explain your view and tell me what's missing.
Bao wrote:MaartenSFS wrote:If the surface is uneven, then there will be less friction, but that doesn't change the structure significantly. The friction does indeed add power and just because Sun Lutang did or didn't do something doesn't mean that something is or isn't effective. Everyone fights differently.
I can tell you that after I learned Xingyi footwork (Mocabu, which is pretty much identical to Tangnibu) together with Piquan my power improved drasticly and I haven't looked back since. Then again my power is explosive and different people may prefer different methods.
It's not only Sun that doesn't use it. It's not standard in Yin style which is the most complete and complex of Bagua styles. What Cheng Tinghua did is not the standard footwork for Bagua generally speaking. Cheng style just happen to be the most popular style.
If you can move freely while moving and at the same time control posture and structure, your power generation will be much more "free". You will be less depended on a certain stance. Mud stepping can help you with this. This freedom of walking and not being dependent on a certain posture is what many CMA stylists lack regardless if you look at Tai Chi, Wing Chun and many other styles, both northern and southern styles. I don't believe that Bagua helped me with being able to punch someone harder in the face, but it certainly helped my body to find more freedom, which helped me improve my Tai Chi.
I love Tai Chi very, very much, but sometimes I feel that all rules and regulations of body movement and body use are more harmful than useful to the practitioner. Spontaneity and creativity are often forgotten.
Trick wrote: But that how it is, there’s public teachings and then there’s the “other” teachings, on the surface they look fairly similar but it’s how to put the mind into it that differs.....But you know this already ?
Trick wrote:About keeping the feet’s close to the ground while moving is actually done in fighting to subtly closing the gap, it’s done in boxing and it’s done in Karate competition fighting, in Karate we did not have any specific footwork practice to learn this “subtle” footwork, one picked it up by sparring a lot, spontaneously and creatively.
Bao wrote:That is what I meant by “hiding” the footwork. As Cheng style is developed partially from Shuai Jiao, it seems reasonable that there’s a practical reason for the focus on this footwork as it can make it harder for your opponent to trap your leg when you close in.
Trick wrote:Bao wrote:That is what I meant by “hiding” the footwork. As Cheng style is developed partially from Shuai Jiao, it seems reasonable that there’s a practical reason for the focus on this footwork as it can make it harder for your opponent to trap your leg when you close in.
Ah, then I misunderstood your previous post. You mention Shuai Jiao, in tuishou the subtle footwork comes out quite naturally.
Trick wrote:The crux will be to adapt it to all kind of ranges
Steve James wrote: If one is in grappling range, for ex., footwork will differ than if one is striking from outside.
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